Populist revolt took a duchy without warning?

[someblk]

So I've just lost 4 counties and their duchy to a populist faction.

However:
1.) The duchy title did not exist previously, and has come into existence with their take over of the lands.
2.) There were no factions against me before the lands suddenly became lost to me.
3.) I received no warning that any of my lands were under siege (as you would expect from any uprising).

I only even know that a populist faction took the title by viewing the title history, where they are now the first owners of this title.

Does anybody know wtf has happened here? Surely this isn't correct..............

The worst part is I can't just take them all back in one war, it's going to require 4 separate wars with lengthy truces between.

[The Former]

My guess is that populists in the region of <duchy> were upset that their liege wasn't of their majority culture or faith, and therefore they staged an uprising for native control of the entire duchy.

[someblk]

I am of both their majority culture AND faith of the counties (with the duchy not existing), and I am the direct liege of the holders of the county titles.

I'm not sure about religion, but regarding culture I am Nubian and the duchy which has been taken is de jure part of the Kingdom of Nubia, so culture certainly shouldn't be an issue. I was in the process of saving up the gold to create the kingdom title, which I now can;t do due to the loss of these counties.

However I think I know now why I missed this but it's still an issue. My own liege is now a child (after his father died) and is literally fighting in about 10 wars at once with rebellions all over the place.

So I guess they've declared on him which has lead to me losing 4 county titles I hold. But this is still an issue... If there are wars happening to take county titles I hold then I should 100% be informed of this fact.

Instead I've been pottering around doing admin in the background with no idea this was even happening. That's not exactly realistic. If the game had informed me of what was happening then it was easily within my power to prevent it.

[CrUsHeR]

Quite simple - independence revolts always target the top liege. You couldn't decide about their independence, even if you wanted to. The only revolt you can face as a vassal are peasant rabble to lower control.

So if you like to be in charge of things, don't play a vassal.

[someblk]

I don't want to be in charge, I simply want an in game alert that there is a war occurring over my titles.

I'm pretty sure back in the day people were made aware of these things for the most part......

Once I know I could decide for myself if I wish to get involved or not, but if the game does not inform me that's pretty ridiculous.

Yes I do indeed have 10+ war icons all related to my liege at the bottom of the screen. The tooltip for many of these just tells me liberty war, independence war, etc. Even going into them doesn't give me a simple title name and I have to look up every individual involved in the war to find out title information.

So when wars were in progress back in medieval time, did people have to crawl through reams of paperwork in this way to discover if lands they manage were being attacked? I'm pretty sure they didn't.............

EDIT: By the way yes I can decide about their independence because I can offer to my liege to join the war, which then gives me direct involvement to help prevent the loss of my titles. In fact you would think if my liege was losing such a war (which clearly he was) then he'd even contact me to suggest I should assist if I didn't wish my titles to be lost.

Simply seeing a massive, unexpected map change is not good game design.

[Kuromiya]

Yeah, you gotta keep an eye on your liege's wars. People will declare wars for titles you are overlord to, and you won't get called in and you won't get any special notification for it. Also, your top liege can submit to rebel demands and give up the territory you own without a fight.

The good news is, you can ask your liege to join any wars that are targeting your own territory, and hopefully win them. The bad news is, you can't stop him from bending the knee to looters right away if he's a coward.

In CKIII, as in life, you need to be the master of your own fate. Kill your liege and take over the Kingdom.

[someblk]

The interface does not lend itself to what you're suggesting.

Example current independence war:
* Click war icon.
* Click enforce demands.
* Click name of first person gaining independence (which also closes the war screen)
* Click on his title.
* Double click title to locate on map and finally know if it's one of yours.
** Repeat all above steps for all people in the war looking for independence.
*** Further repeat all above steps for each war.
**** Repeat every time there are new wars.

Apart from the fact this is incredibly bad from a game design perspective (due to the huge timesink required to obtain critical information), answer me the same question I've already asked once:

In real world medieval times, is this how people who owned titles to control land found out that the land was being attacked?

EDIT: I will admit I do somewhat lose my patience too when I get replies from people who are clearly such fanboys that they don't even accept that a game should grow and evolve based on user experience. Nobody is saying the game is not a good game, but I am saying things like this clearly need to be drastically improved for the player experience. If some of you guys were around in real medieval times, we'd still be living like medieval times now due to your refusal to accept any need for change.

[Slimane]

Sounds like your liege was given an ultimatum by a populist faction and was already in too many wars so they simply gave the land without a fight. This is a huge problem with being a vassal right now.

Here's a thread about this on the official forums: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/stop-letting-my-liege-give-all-my-lands-away-to-populists.1433775/

[Kuromiya]

I once had a war targeting me for like three years before I realized what was happening, but if you've got a good idea of which titles are in your realm, then you can sometimes tell you're under attack just by hovering over the little shield War Icon at the bottom of the screen; the name of the war should tip you off. You can also usually tell something's wrong because Orange hostile armies are running around, besieging your counties. If you see any orange colored armies, check them to make sure they're not raiders.

It's deffo busted and it deffo needs to be changed, but the game is how it is. If you want to know how to deal with it for now, then this is what you have to do.You either rise to the occasion and become the leader people need you to be, or you accept that your King is going to screw you over sometimes.

[someblk]

Originally posted by Thought Criminal:

Sounds like your liege was given an ultimatum by a populist faction and was already in too many wars so they simply gave the land without a fight. This is a huge problem with being a vassal right now.

Here's a thread about this on the official forums: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/stop-letting-my-liege-give-all-my-lands-away-to-populists.1433775/

I think this is more than possible. I didn't receive any alerts about any sieges occurring, which I did consider strange because I thought I remembered getting alerts about this in the past when there had been wars against my liege and my areas were being sieged.

[someblk]

Originally posted by KickySonichu:

I once had a war targeting me for like three years before I realized what was happening, but if you've got a good idea of which titles are in your realm, then you can sometimes tell you're under attack just by hovering over the little shield War Icon at the bottom of the screen; the name of the war should tip you off. You can also usually tell something's wrong because Orange hostile armies are running around, besieging your counties. If you see any orange colored armies, check them to make sure they're not raiders.

It's deffo busted and it deffo needs to be changed, but the game is how it is. If you want to know how to deal with it for now, then this is what you have to do.You either rise to the occasion and become the leader people need you to be, or you accept that your King is going to screw you over sometimes.

Unfortunately the name of independence wars in the tooltip is just 'independence war'. If they included the titles set to be lost in that same tooltip then, although still not perfect, I'd consider this good enough to work with for the purpose of getting the information.

[someblk]

One other thing I find strange in all of this is my relationship with my own vassals. Lands that were lost included vassals who were directly under me as their liege, yet I've not been in any way involved in this whole situation. So that begs the question: Why are they my vassals at all? If I'm not involved they should be vassals of my liege, and not vassals of mine.

[someblk]

Okay can confirm it's that earlier posted problem as it just happened again - Loss of another half a dozen counties (including my realm capital) with no related wars occurring, and no factions viewable by me before it happened.

I've literally lost 100+ years of work in less than 1 year. How my realm capital, where my main character lives, manages to have some kind of uprising without me being aware of it or informed about it until I've just lost the title really beggars belief.

And anybody who defends that as 'okay', as not needing to be resolved in a future update, or just a normal part of being a vassal, is clearly either on the Paradox payroll or banging somebody who is instead ;)

[someblk]

Okay this has gotten so bad that I legit have to give up and quit a run I've been playing for the last week.

I've gone from owning 30+ territories to owning only 4 in the space of less than 2 years game time. I just keep getting alerts telling me the titles are now owned by other external people. I even marched into my own realm capital and reclaimed it, and then a few months later it's suddenly 'not mine' anymore.

This is really incredibly disheartening and makes me not even want to play anymore.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

So if you like to be in charge of things, don't play a vassal.

[someblk]

I'd like to be in charge of my own vassals under me - Isn't that how it's supposed to work? Or why are they my vassals in the first place?

Oh I forgot, Crusher always ignores every question asked directly to them to which they can't answer without being proved wrong, in favour of just trolling my threads instead.

Get back under your bridge.