Foreign ruler inherited half of my realm

[FreeTaco]

I am Emperor of Britannia, 144 years into a 867 AD start game. I hold the Kingdom of England and my younger brother holds the Kingdoms of Scotland and Ireland as my vassal. My brother, who has a legitimate son, dies, and his titles are all inherited by the Emperor of Francia. This happened while I was in the middle of researching Royal Prerogative, so High Crown Authority was like five years away.

So far as I can tell, my brother changed the succession laws for my VASSAL KINGDOMS to Saxon Elective. The Emperor of Francia was not of my house or dynasty, held no titles that were de jure part of my realm and had no claim on any such titles. How on earth he was even an eligible candidate for this election I can't figure.

This is seriously messed up. I lost half of my territory in an instant to my biggest rival. No one buys a game like this and spends days or weeks building an empire for this kind of ♥♥♥♥ to happen.

If the game is going to allow vassals to change titles that are de jure part of your primary title to elective succession, why on earth does it make characters that are not part of your realm eligible for such elections? And why on earth did Scottish and Irish earls and dukes vote for a French Emperor to become their liege? My character had a diplomacy focus with nice buffs for personal diplomacy and a bunch of very impressive traits. None of this makes any sense. And because its Ironman I just have to throw away a game I've spent probably 20 hours on.

Paradox needs to get their ♥♥♥♥ together and start fixing this game. Why does winning a crusade cause your religion's fervor to go down and the loser's to go up? I won a crusade for Asturias 25 years ago and worked real hard to defend the crusader kingdom and keep it alive. 25 years later, not one county in Asturias has been converted to Catholicism. At this rate it would take probably 1000 years to complete the reconquest of Spain.

Fix the game Paradox, you bastards!

[kirara209]

Welcome to Crusader Kings?

[SkiRich]

What was your inheritance law in the Empire? Did you not set it to forbid inheritance out of your empire?

[VipreRX]

Originally posted by sliff22:

This is seriously messed up. I lost half of my territory in an instant to my biggest rival. No one buys a game like this and spends days or weeks building an empire for this kind of ♥♥♥♥ to happen.

None of this makes any sense. And because its Ironman I just have to throw away a game I've spent probably 20 hours on.

First I'd beg to differ. The ups and downs are exactly why some love the game. Why bother if all you ever do is go up.

Second, why do you need to "throw away" that game. 144 years into a 586 year game is nothing, you could reclaim all that territory, lose it again, and win it back a few times over in that time.

Regarding fervor, ever get so mad you want to punch something so you do and you feel better after. Same concept. Calling a Crusade is getting mad (max fervor), winning the Crusade is the punch, fervor going down is the feeling better after. Flip that around and be the one getting punched and you understand why their fervor goes up.

[FreeTaco]

Explain to me how it makes sense for vassals to be able to simply vote to leave the realm. Subjects cannot simply tell their liege "We took a vote, and you aren't our liege anymore". That is called self-determination and I am quite certain it didn't exist in the middle ages. This game is supposed to be historically accurate, to a point. It does not make any sense for elective succession to work like that for non-independent titles. It is clearly a glitch that subjects are able to simply vote to join another realm. My understanding of elective succession is that only characters with titles or claims on titles that are de jure part of the title in question are supposed to be eligible candidates. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Sultan of Baghdad shouldn't be an eligible candidate for an election to be King of Ireland.

I don't mind getting kicked in the junk by a game if its something legitimate, like I get my ass handed to me in a war or something. But there is something profoundly messed up about a bunch of your subjects simply voting to award a title in your realm to a foreign ruler. Titles shouldn't ever be able to pass outside your realm from elective succession, regardless of crown authority. Inheritance I understand, like if a foreign ruler has the senior claim, so be it. This is clearly a glitch and hopefully they will fix it. I played a lot of CK2 and I am certain you aren't eligible for HRE election if you don't have part of the HRE in your realm. That is how elective succession is supposed to work.

And about religious fervor, I've played through three games so far as Catholic ruler and haven't even come close to reconquering Spain. In fact, two of of three times all of Europe was Muslim by the end, despite the Catholic side generally winning most crusades. The game is called Crusader KIngs, but fighting a crusade you lose either way. Clearly there is something off-kilter with religion that causes Catholicism to get its butt kicked in the end every time. It wasn't like that in CK2.

[VipreRX]

Originally posted by sliff22:

Explain to me how it makes sense for vassals to be able to simply vote to leave the realm. Subjects cannot simply tell their liege "We took a vote, and you aren't our liege anymore". That is called self-determination and I am quite certain it didn't exist in the middle ages.

They absolutely can say "we took a vote and we're out" they literally do it all the time, usually followed by an independence war. In this case it was just inherited by someone outside the realm because they were a valid candidate and won the vote. The guy was probably some 10th cousin five times removed on his mother's side.
Inheritance is the true king, and sometimes it screws you.

"Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Sultan of Baghdad shouldn't be an eligible candidate for an election to be King of Ireland."

When you have people screwing their way around the map for generations who knows who the Sultan might be connected to. He might be the true king of Sweden for all anyone knows.

[Mindmaker]

Working as intended.

[Willem]

It's really simple to counter just have your crown authority at lvl 3.
Enjoy stable realm

[UnCivilServant]

Originally posted by sliff22:

Paradox needs to get their ♥♥♥♥ together and start fixing this game. Why does winning a crusade cause your religion's fervor to go down and the loser's to go up? I won a crusade for Asturias 25 years ago and worked real hard to defend the crusader kingdom and keep it alive. 25 years later, not one county in Asturias has been converted to Catholicism. At this rate it would take probably 1000 years to complete the reconquest of Spain.

The Reconquista took 700 years IRL, and only wrapped up in 1492 with the fall of Granada. So that sounds like it's on track.

[LzDK14]

Originally posted by Willem:

It's really simple to counter just have your crown authority at lvl 3.
Enjoy stable realm

Which is impossible for tribals... And not before ~30 years after Royal Prerogative discovery... and still will split the realm on confederate partition...
So yeah, enjoy:-)

PS: there are ways of dealing with realm partition. Absolute crown authority is the last step actually, and is not needed until you get empire.

[The Blind One]

Originally posted by Willem:

It's really simple to counter just have your crown authority at lvl 3.
Enjoy stable realm

Ah hmm about that ...

Apparantly they can still leave though ... As long as they inherit a higher ranking title ''outside'' your realm.

My count of east friesland inherited the byzantine dukedom of nitra ... and now that single county is stuck in the byzantine empire ... Luckily that single county was on the edge of my realm and it looked ugly ... so good riddance, but still ... a county is a county and I shall have my revenge on the entire byzantine realms army for that single county all the way in the backwaters of northwestern europe ... indeed I must slaughter tens of thousands of byzantine troops for a single marshland county ...

[Mikey]

Originally posted by sliff22:

stuff

Why do you think there were so many succession wars during the middle ages?

As for fervor.
Your elders make a big fuss about your faith being the biggest, baddest, meanest, most righteous and you head off to war to teach the poor sods the true way... and succeed, thus proving their point to begin with.
Hence there is no reason to disbeleive them -> people not caring about the other faiths -> lower fervor

[Willem]

Originally posted by The Blind One:

Originally posted by Willem:

It's really simple to counter just have your crown authority at lvl 3.
Enjoy stable realm

Ah hmm about that ...

Apparantly they can still leave though ... As long as they inherit a higher ranking title ''outside'' your realm.

My count of east friesland inherited the byzantine dukedom of nitra ... and now that single county is stuck in the byzantine empire ... Luckily that single county was on the edge of my realm and it looked ugly ... so good riddance, but still ... a county is a county and I shall have my revenge on the entire byzantine realms army for that single county all the way in the backwaters of northwestern europe ... indeed I must slaughter tens of thousands of byzantine troops for a single marshland county ...

Time to redirect holy war ;-)

[LzDK14]

Originally posted by The Blind One:

Originally posted by Willem:

It's really simple to counter just have your crown authority at lvl 3.
Enjoy stable realm

Ah hmm about that ...

Apparantly they can still leave though ... As long as they inherit a higher ranking title ''outside'' your realm.

My count of east friesland inherited the byzantine dukedom of nitra ... and now that single county is stuck in the byzantine empire ... Luckily that single county was on the edge of my realm and it looked ugly ... so good riddance, but still ... a county is a county and I shall have my revenge on the entire byzantine realms army for that single county all the way in the backwaters of northwestern europe ... indeed I must slaughter tens of thousands of byzantine troops for a single marshland county ...

You can grow flax and... khm... hemp... in marshlands. You can never have to much ... flax!

[Admod, the Equivocal]

Originally posted by sliff22:

I won a crusade for Asturias 25 years ago and worked real hard to defend the crusader kingdom and keep it alive. 25 years later, not one county in Asturias has been converted to Catholicism.

This is the only legitimate concern you seem to have OP. I really don't like how long it takes to convert a province after you get it if it's a hostile religion. There's a skill in the learning tree that allows you to ignore fervor of other religions when converting but there also needs to be one that lets you lower the penalty of development for conversions. It can take quite some time for sure. It'd really help if you defeated a peasant revolt from a hostile religion it'd make the counties easier to convert for a time.

[Mindmaker]

Originally posted by LzDK14:

Originally posted by Willem:

It's really simple to counter just have your crown authority at lvl 3.
Enjoy stable realm

Which is impossible for tribals... And not before ~30 years after Royal Prerogative discovery... and still will split the realm on confederate partition...
So yeah, enjoy:-)

PS: there are ways of dealing with realm partition. Absolute crown authority is the last step actually, and is not needed until you get empire.

Or you could quit getting angry at video games and play it the way the devs intended.
Don't worry, world conquest is easy enough, so you'll still be able to upload your ugly blob on Reddit for upboats.