King Arthur's dynasty?

[Сааребас]

I want to do a playthrough in which King Arthur's (supposedly) dynasty rules over the Brittish isles once again.

To do that I need a couple of questions answered and hope the community can help me out a bit.

-Pendragon does not seem to be ingame, I read somewhere that Morgannwg is basically the same dynasty? Is that coorect?

-Culture: From what I have learned Arthur was Brettonic.
Tho seeing as how Brettons are solely placed in Brittany, Maybe Cornwallish or Ghaulic would fit better or just keeping it Welsh?

-Religion: Absolutely no clue on that subject whatsoever.
I feel some sort of insular Christianity would fit best in CK3 settings since afaik we have no celtic religion and do feel Arthur's stories are Christianized.

-Succession laws: Again; no idea whatsoever.

Any help and pointers are appreciated, aswell as any other info on the subject.

Sincerly,

Potato.

[Сааребас]

Anyone who could help me out here? Even for just one part?

[Admod, the Equivocal]

I'd say Catholic.

[Upside Down]

I don’t think anything is known about him or if he even existed. His story has been updated and fleshed out by various different groups. You probably could create just about any version of him you like and it would be as close to the truth as could ever be verified.

The Netflix adaptation “Cursed” is probably as accurate as any of the other stories about him.

[TorrentXL]

The story of King Arthur Pendagron is likely a combination of Charlemagne and I believe a british king who came from Wales. The Welsh one lived in 500BC or so, although whether he actually existed is up for debate. You may want to just pick someone logical and then rename the dynasty.

[Top_Smug]

I mean, King Arthur is a mostly fictional character that combines Charlemagne's paladins, Welsh and Brettan legends and a possible Roman commander that served in Britain during Romes military abandonment of the isles. Supposedly, any shmo in Britain can "trace" their lineage to King Arthur; so ultimately you will probably get your best bet by picking a Cornish, Welsh or Brettan lord then RP from there(the People of Brittany fled Britain for Gaul when the Angles and Saxons invaded).

[Horemvore]

You have to form Brittania to become "Pendragon" and its only a nick name. (Starting in wales maybe)

[Azunai]

i guess i'd start in cornwall. there is a unique decision to "Restore the Kingdom of Cornwall" for characters of appropriate culture (Brythonic cultur group). Maybe rename it to Camelot after you created it?

Later on there's another unique decision "Reclaim Britannia" which gives the nickname "the Pendragon" to the ruler who fired that decision. Guess that would be the main goal to work towards.

perhaps somewhere along the road you'll also start your own branch of christianity, though it probably would be easier to stick with catholic or use insular christianity.

[archonsod]

There's no agreement on whether there was a historical Arthur, who he may have been based off and whether or not he was actually a king. The historical sources where he does appear have him ranging from a scion of Wessex to a warleader for Dal Riata (Strathclyde), and variously fought against the Saxons, Celts and Picts depending on which interpretation you go with.

So the only mainland cultures that would be ruled out are the Picts and Norse.

Religion is a bit trickier. The Celtic religion is represented by Insular Christianity while the Saxons would be Catholic, but the distinctions are retroactive; for much of the period there's no real sense of distinction between the two, and whether a ruler's religious head came from Rome or Iona tended to be more a matter of prestige or politics than anything doctrinal.
Really the distinction wouldn't matter prior to the mission from Rome to convert the Saxons of Wessex in the 7th Century, around two centuries after Arthur's death. Assuming a 9th century start you'd therefore have a free hand to pick between the two Christian religions since it would largely depend on whether his descendants had stuck with the native traditions or went with the glitz and glamour of Rome in the intervening centuries.

Succession laws would be equally up in the air. Assuming you go with a King Arthur interpretation Britain at the time would be closest to a tribal society (rule by the best armed), though going by the legend Arthur himself was nominated by receiving Excalibur, which isn't really a succession type in the game :P Again, you'd just need to figure out yourself what would have become of his family in the four centuries after his death.

[Сааребас]

Originally posted by Azunai:

i guess i'd start in cornwall. there is a unique decision to "Restore the Kingdom of Cornwall" for characters of appropriate culture (Brythonic cultur group). Maybe rename it to Camelot after you created it?

Later on there's another unique decision "Reclaim Britannia" which gives the nickname "the Pendragon" to the ruler who fired that decision. Guess that would be the main goal to work towards.

perhaps somewhere along the road you'll also start your own branch of christianity, though it probably would be easier to stick with catholic or use insular christianity.

This looks like it would indeed be a good focus to start out with

[CrUsHeR]

King Arthur ;)


Yeah he's right there, next to Harry Potter and Mickey Mouse.

[Сааребас]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

King Arthur ;)


Yeah he's right there, next to Harry Potter and Mickey Mouse.

We almost know for sure that there were more rulers contributing to the Arthurian legend but
H. Potter and the big mouse himself?

Consider, my mind blown.

Joking aside, absence of proof does not equal proof of absence.

[The Former]

Best I've been able to tell, a lot of historians suggest the Arthur-figure was essentially Welsh, so Morgannwg might be appropriate. Take that with a grain of salt, though.

[Сааребас]

Originally posted by archonsod:

There's no agreement on whether there was a historical Arthur, who he may have been based off and whether or not he was actually a king. The historical sources where he does appear have him ranging from a scion of Wessex to a warleader for Dal Riata (Strathclyde), and variously fought against the Saxons, Celts and Picts depending on which interpretation you go with.

So the only mainland cultures that would be ruled out are the Picts and Norse.

Religion is a bit trickier. The Celtic religion is represented by Insular Christianity while the Saxons would be Catholic, but the distinctions are retroactive; for much of the period there's no real sense of distinction between the two, and whether a ruler's religious head came from Rome or Iona tended to be more a matter of prestige or politics than anything doctrinal.
Really the distinction wouldn't matter prior to the mission from Rome to convert the Saxons of Wessex in the 7th Century, around two centuries after Arthur's death. Assuming a 9th century start you'd therefore have a free hand to pick between the two Christian religions since it would largely depend on whether his descendants had stuck with the native traditions or went with the glitz and glamour of Rome in the intervening centuries.

Succession laws would be equally up in the air. Assuming you go with a King Arthur interpretation Britain at the time would be closest to a tribal society (rule by the best armed), though going by the legend Arthur himself was nominated by receiving Excalibur, which isn't really a succession type in the game :P Again, you'd just need to figure out yourself what would have become of his family in the four centuries after his death.

I have always been in the understanding Arthur was Celtic, hence my question about Ghaulic (which I probably keep for my Merlin) and, if I am right, most of the claims come from Brettons (in which I simply combine them all).
The Christianisation of the story was something I have always contributed to the (Christian) monks writing down the legend(s).


I do want to thank you for sharing these bits of info on the subject.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by Potato:

Joking aside, absence of proof does not equal proof of absence.

Fortunately, science does not work that way.

You make a claim, then it is your job to substantiate it with verifiable facts. Otherwise the claim is entirely irrelevant.

In this case, King Arthur's existence is fiction unless you can prove it.

[sarpedon]

You actually can trace your welsh/cumbrian dynasty up to fifth or fourth century. They really put a lot of effort in it. My duchies even were automatically renamed (not Lothian, for example, but Goddobin) as soon as I got them. And one of my cadet houses (I play for Alt Clut) got this cool Ogledd name (which I believe means "Old North" in old breton).