No Austrian culture?

[Illusion17]

Though I understand why Austria doesn't have its own culture before forming the Archduchy of Austria, I really think that decision should add in an Austrian culture. Other special decisions add in culture groups as well, so it'd be something I'd like to see more of when creating new nations.

[Wexmajor]

Australia is way southeast of the edge of the map so it makes no sense for Australian culture to be present.

[Illusion17]

Originally posted by Wexmajor:

Australia is way southeast of the edge of the map so it makes no sense for Australian culture to be present.

Yeah, you're right. Really should of thought about that before making the post XD

[Well Fed Tick]

I had a chuckle

[Hairy Coo]

Wait, what? You gotta be kidding.

[CrUsHeR]

Austrian culture = German culture

[The Former]

According to some surface research, Austria didn't really develop its own cultural identity separate from greater Germania until about 1526. I can see the argument for it given CK3's alternate history bent, but at the same time, it did historically start coming about around 100 years after CK3's end date.

[Isaac]

I reformed the roman empire and was expecting to be able to swap to Roman culture and maybe Greek religion like in ck2 but nope, proably a 20 dollar DLC. ♥♥♥♥ I am sick of paradox, ck2 way more fleshed out game.

[Illusion17]

Originally posted by Knight-Errant:

According to some surface research, Austria didn't really develop its own cultural identity separate from greater Germania until about 1526. I can see the argument for it given CK3's alternate history bent, but at the same time, it did historically start coming about around 100 years after CK3's end date.

True but the whole point of the event to form the Archduchy is cementing the superiority of Austria. I think it's kinda weird for them to still consider themselves Bavarians after doing that. It's like "Austria is the greatest German state! ... ... but we're still Bavarian"

[Illusion17]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Austrian culture = German culture

Yes but within the German states there's many different cultural identities, hence why it was so hard to unify them before Nationalism swept across Europe. Knight made a great point that this was long before that time period, but I think the event should create an Austrian culture due to the fact that the point of the event is cementing the superiority of Austria over the other states.

[Night Hunter]

I had a Castillian culture change auto-fire after controlling the Castillian part of Iberia for some period of time, while I have a decision to form Portugal and change to Portuguese culture. It's possible that Austrian culture is in the game and you just haven't hit the conditions for triggering conversion (or that there's a random element to it).

I see unintentional shifts that emerge from longer-term gameplay as MUCH more realistic than decision-based insta-change (which, as noted, is still in the game in some cases): in reality, deciding one day to change what you're calling your culture, even as an autocratic ruler, doesn't somehow alter the existing collection of cultural concepts and values people have internalized, nor does it instantly change how the very large group of people who constitute a culture think or talk about themselves, so a ruler-based instant decision is frankly absurd (though perhaps a necessary concession to simplified abstractions in some cases).

My US Congress could vote tomorrow to change the name of the republic to the New Roman Empire and call Americans "Romans" from here on out, and it wouldn't change a damn thing about how people behaved; wouldn't instantly shift every instance of "America/n" in books, TV shows, media, advertisements, material products, or people's brains to "Roman"; wouldn't alter any of the cultural norms with which people have been socialized. I do agree that, because cases like the Portugal example are present, there isn't total consistency (and with decisions like using the more recent label "Russian" for the Slavic culture in the area of the historical state of Rus - though, notably, a lot of the alternative suggestions are grammatically equivalent in English because of its flexible rules for forming adjectives and demonyms, and there were no universally agreed upon historical names for MOST places and cultures, that particular controversy just happens to be a contentious contemporary political issue - there isn't a consistent argument that they aren't including demonyms that didn't exist in the historical period in question); my personal preference to increase consistency would be to remove the instant decision conversions entirely rather than put more in.

[Daniel Gaarden DK]

I agree with what he says

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by Night Hunter:

It's possible that Austrian culture is in the game and you just haven't hit the conditions for triggering conversion (or that there's a random element to it).

The culture does currently not exist in the game.

Thing is that today in the year 2020, most Austrians still speak in Bavarian (or Upper German) dialects, have the same culture, even use the same colloquialisms with little differences developed in the past 150 years. The only dialect actually unique to Austria is the very distinct Viennese. Thus the borders of the respective national states do not represent the cultures living inside them.

The Austrian Empire was founded in 1804 by the last Holy Roman Emperor Franz II, short before he dissolved the HRE in 1806 under the pressure of the Napoleon wars.
Before that point, nationality did simply not exist, as everyone was simply a subject of the empire.

Culture is based on local language, customs and such, which as mentioned had different distribution areas than the titles of the nobles owning the land. The modern states of Germany and Austria are simply a direct result of the empires founded in 1871 and 1806 respectively.

Also the actual Archduchy of Austria was only founded in 1453, and unlike certain other duchies like Saxony, Francia, Swabia or Bavaria, does obviously not root back to the old germanic tribes, which are the base for every subculture with their own dialects. In fact the german name for Austria, "Österreich", basically means the "eastern realm", and only represents a geographical title.

Ergo, an austrian culture cannot logically exist within Crusader Kings.

[Gestum]

Well, one could with even better reason claim that there should be a distinct Swiss culture, as the Old Swiss Confederacy was formed in 1291, well in the time frame of CK3. But the lack of it doesn't really bother me, though I'm from Switzerland ;-)

As far as I know, the available cultures of the Central Germanic group are Bavarian, Dutch, Franconian, Saxon, and Swabian - which does seem a bit arbitrary, yes.

[VipreRX]

Originally posted by Isaac:

I reformed the roman empire and was expecting to be able to swap to Roman culture and maybe Greek religion like in ck2 but nope, proably a 20 dollar DLC. ♥♥♥♥ I am sick of paradox, ck2 way more fleshed out game.

It's also nearly a decade older.

It was a fun gimmick in CK2 along with werewolves and Rosemary's babies, but honestly how would conquering a specific amount of territory magically revive a culture that's been dead for nearly a thousand years.

[Das Boot]

Originally posted by Isaac:

but honestly how would conquering a specific amount of territory magically revive a culture that's been dead for nearly a thousand years.

It happened in real life. In Israel the Hebrew language was revived after being a dead language for that length of time, and while there was no revival of latin as an everyday language there was an intense interest in Roman culture in the Renaissance and later in the Enlightenment.

If a society saw itself as the revival of the old Roman Empire and had an interest in Roman culture I could see an effort to revive that culture.