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Osmium Dec 7, 2020 @ 1:13am
Ruler as a knight ?
Hello,
I've been playing CK3 for 15 hours and there is something I don't quite understand. I'd love to have my ruler fighting as a knight in his own armies and slaying ennemies by himself. I can put it as a commander but does it mean he's really fighting and using his prowess or he is only commanding and using his martial abilities?

Thanks !
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Saroodai Jan 13, 2021 @ 1:18am 
Really this piss me off. I have good martial leader with good fighting skill and the end he sit away of battlefield.
Someguyinhere (Banned) Jan 13, 2021 @ 1:46am 
Just set the leader of your army as your ruler. If a King is present in a battle, he is present as a King. Not as a lower ranking title of nobility, lol.
Saroodai Jan 13, 2021 @ 1:53am 
Originally posted by Someguyinhere:
Just set the leader of your army as your ruler. If a King is present in a battle, he is present as a King. Not as a lower ranking title of nobility, lol.

As you can read other comments that king or vassals can be commander and knight in same time, also you can see list of characters who killed in battlefield. So, player must be equal with AI character. I'm playing and write my story..
Someguyinhere (Banned) Jan 13, 2021 @ 2:36am 
Originally posted by Solam:
Originally posted by Someguyinhere:
Just set the leader of your army as your ruler. If a King is present in a battle, he is present as a King. Not as a lower ranking title of nobility, lol.

As you can read other comments that king or vassals can be commander and knight in same time, also you can see list of characters who killed in battlefield. So, player must be equal with AI character. I'm playing and write my story..

A ruler literally cannot be set as a knight. Don't know what comments you're referring to. Also, why would you write a story where the king is somehow simultaneously the highest rank of nobility and the lowest? Knights aren't a club. It's a peerage title.

Your King is already a badass. He has the same, if not better, training than a knight. You are the highest lord of the land. You are educated, trained in war, and have the best gear because you can afford it. You don't need to pretend he's a magical knight - He's BETTER than a knight.
Lovecraft's Cat Jan 13, 2021 @ 3:09am 
Originally posted by Someguyinhere:
Originally posted by Solam:

As you can read other comments that king or vassals can be commander and knight in same time, also you can see list of characters who killed in battlefield. So, player must be equal with AI character. I'm playing and write my story..

A ruler literally cannot be set as a knight. Don't know what comments you're referring to. Also, why would you write a story where the king is somehow simultaneously the highest rank of nobility and the lowest? Knights aren't a club. It's a peerage title.

Your King is already a badass. He has the same, if not better, training than a knight. You are the highest lord of the land. You are educated, trained in war, and have the best gear because you can afford it. You don't need to pretend he's a magical knight - He's BETTER than a knight.

Historically some independent kings acted as "knights" in the CK3 sense - they personally fought on the front line.

Consider King Richard I of England, called 'the Lionheart' for instance. Wikipedia says about him: "Contemporaries considered Richard as both a king and a knight famed for personal martial prowess; this was, apparently, the first such instance of this combination. He was known as a valiant, competent military leader and individual fighter who was courageous and generous."

So perhaps we need different options for commanding an army. From the rear, but also fighting on the front.

Then there is also the issue that AI rulers and player controlled rulers are not treated the same. For example, as an emperor I can force every king under me to serve as knight, but as a player ruler I cannot ever fight as a knight for my AI liege. This is obviously for balancing reasons, but I see no reason why we shouldn't be able to tick a box which says "volunteer as knight".

Yes I agree that king is already a badass. But a king who also is a knight is even more badass still. Ultimately we need more use for the Prowess stat.
mortache Jan 13, 2021 @ 3:14am 
For real though, dueling enemy commanders as a berserker felt amazing in CK2. Hope that comes back. Though going to duel the enemy should be a decision, unless my character is brave, wrathful or whatever.
Last edited by mortache; Jan 13, 2021 @ 3:15am
Saroodai Jan 13, 2021 @ 3:23am 
Originally posted by Scyth:
Originally posted by Someguyinhere:

A ruler literally cannot be set as a knight. Don't know what comments you're referring to. Also, why would you write a story where the king is somehow simultaneously the highest rank of nobility and the lowest? Knights aren't a club. It's a peerage title.

Your King is already a badass. He has the same, if not better, training than a knight. You are the highest lord of the land. You are educated, trained in war, and have the best gear because you can afford it. You don't need to pretend he's a magical knight - He's BETTER than a knight.

Historically some independent kings acted as "knights" in the CK3 sense - they personally fought on the front line.

Consider King Richard I of England, called 'the Lionheart' for instance. Wikipedia says about him: "Contemporaries considered Richard as both a king and a knight famed for personal martial prowess; this was, apparently, the first such instance of this combination. He was known as a valiant, competent military leader and individual fighter who was courageous and generous."

So perhaps we need different options for commanding an army. From the rear, but also fighting on the front.

Then there is also the issue that AI rulers and player controlled rulers are not treated the same. For example, as an emperor I can force every king under me to serve as knight, but as a player ruler I cannot ever fight as a knight for my AI liege. This is obviously for balancing reasons, but I see no reason why we shouldn't be able to tick a box which says "volunteer as knight".

Yes I agree that king is already a badass. But a king who also is a knight is even more badass still. Ultimately we need more use for the Prowess stat.

This is what I'm talking about .. Thank you ...
NewbieOne Jan 13, 2021 @ 2:30pm 
Originally posted by Someguyinhere:
A knight is an extremely low ranking member of a noble family who swears his service to a higher ranking liege as a horse soldier. Literally. Chevalier. The verb form was what would come to be Chivalry, literally the act of being a very good horse soldier. Despite their low rank, they were often incredibly wealthy, because they had to be able to afford all their own ♥♥♥♥. They generally had land and owned businesses.

Skipping the long history rant, you cannot be a knight because you cannot be that low on the totem pole. However, if anyone who actually knew anything about history and what knights really were ever made an RPG sim for it, that'd be pretty cool.

Historically speaking, that's a bit more complicated. If you mean nobility in the modern English sense, as in baron and up, then yeah, the knight would have been a poor cousin.

But mediaeval knights weren't really the bottom of the nobiliary ladder — definitely not the lowest among the armigers who held manors (or parts of them) and were required to provide military service in return.

A lot of petty nobles provided mounted service as light cavalry or owed half a knight's fee, so for example two brothers orcould flip a coin and send one of them as a knight. There were even cases of barons owning less than a full knight's fee due to partitioning-induced relative poverty but still counting as nominal lords due to sheer hereditary rank.

Around the 14th century actual knights were already the elite among the countless squires in the countryside holding manors or even castles. Few people took the accolade, often because of the costs involved, since the equipment was prohibitively expensive even by the standards of someone who owned a village or two. And some actually fought in heavy armour and owned a charger but didn't want the hassle of knighthood for some reason. And later knighthood became very exclusive and the lower ranks of gentry and petty nobility suddenly woke up essentially barred from what used to be their certificate of puberty.

Nowadays, for comparison, knightly families are regarded as the apex of untitled nobility, most of whom are regarded as too basic, too low to be knights. For example the average German untitled von is nominally lower than someone explicitly titled as Edle = Squire, let alone Ritter = Knight, at least in those regions where such distinctions were used. Likewise France. And in England knightly families (the folks who even well into the 17th century generally managed to get their sons knighted, even though they weren't lords) were much above the usual country gentleman.

Higher nobles still considered themselves knights, it's just that 'knight' wasn't all that they had to their name. But it wasn't demeaning for them to be knights or serve as knights. So oftentimes a baron or count is referred to as e.g. a famous knight or a formidable knight. There were knights and then there were knights. Some were glorified heavy cavalry soldiers, and some enjoyed quite elite status. Also much depended on the period and the place.

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Saroodai Jan 21, 2022 @ 8:31pm 
Did this issue fixed ?!
Emperor2000 Jan 21, 2022 @ 9:08pm 
Originally posted by angel of derp:
Of course, your Heir can serve as a Knight (and then get his head ripped off by a Berserker), so there's that.

Sometimes I force my Ruler to be commander in hopes that they'll die in battle...
Only, if his prowess is under 40.

A knight can only die in battle, if his prowess is under 40.
All knights who have a prowess skill over 40 can not die in battle or be captured.
MarkFranz Jan 21, 2022 @ 11:28pm 
Originally posted by Quik:
Originally posted by Khorvale:
Nope, (independent) rulers never function as Knights, Commander is a separate role that uses Martial skill and not Prowess
You don't get to be a knight even if you play as a duchy under someone.
Players can simply never be knights.
I hope Paradox fixes that eventually.
They never fix it as it they intentional choice as they answered on paradoxplaza months ago.
Zippo Jan 24, 2022 @ 6:15am 
Rulers can fight a battle as a commander... And they can die in battle.

If you wish so, you can call them as a premium knight.
Saroodai Jan 24, 2022 @ 12:00pm 
Originally posted by Aldon:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2415427876

"The game does not support the player being a knight." Only support to be knight by your liege.
Saroodai Jan 24, 2022 @ 12:01pm 
Originally posted by Zippo:
Rulers can fight a battle as a commander... And they can die in battle.

If you wish so, you can call them as a premium knight.

In battle report 0 kills. So, he only capture other knights or kill them.
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Date Posted: Dec 7, 2020 @ 1:13am
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