William the Conqueror inaccuracy

[Shazbot]

When I won the war with England and became its king, Normandy suddenly became a part of England. This is historically inaccurate and is ruining my role-play immersion. Paradox please look into this, the game tutorial is telling me about how characters can hold different tittles and William is one of the recommended starts for the game. This is a bad stain on this game.

[Eddie Latium]

This topic came up in CK2 initially too, the thing is in-game a character can't be a vassal of someone else with an equal or higher title, also can't be an independent ruler and a vassal at the same time like William did. It's just a gameplay limitation.

[TheDogeOfSwabia]

U know Crusader Kings is not about beeing historical accurate

[BEEN]

Don't worry, just enjoy your graphical update until they release a DLC that doesn't fix anything. "Give them time".

[Eddie Latium]

Your recent comments seem a bit conflicting. DLC don't have much to do with OP's issue anyway.

[Steefy_92]

Originally posted by PMA:

Don't worry, just enjoy your graphical update until they release a DLC that doesn't fix anything. "Give them time".

Thank you for a reminder why I stay away from Steam forums, lol. By the way, are you just going to pour your bitterness here, or you are actually going to buy the game and give some constructive criticism like ever?

[Valff]

Originally posted by EA Latium:

This topic came up in CK2 initially too, the thing is in-game a character can't be a vassal of someone else with an equal or higher title, also can't be an independent ruler and a vassal at the same time like William did. It's just a gameplay limitation.

+1

[Stacks]

Normandy was never a kingdom so this point is useless.

[Shazbot]

Originally posted by Stacks:

Normandy was never a kingdom so this point is useless.

That's correct, Normandy was a dutchy of France. The whole point was that William was both a vassal of the French king and a king in his own right, showing a conundrum of feudalism.

[Stacks]

Originally posted by Shazbot:

Originally posted by Stacks:

Normandy was never a kingdom so this point is useless.

That's correct, Normandy was a dutchy of France. The whole point was that William was both a vassal of the French king and a king in his own right, showing a conundrum of feudalism.

The duchy was still controlled by William though so this isn't really possible to implement in the game beyond de jure CB's for France unless someone decides to make a relatively complicated mod in the future to expand on this issue.

[Q-T_3.14.exe]

Just give Normandy to someone.

[lubed_assassin]

Originally posted by Stacks:

Originally posted by Shazbot:

That's correct, Normandy was a dutchy of France. The whole point was that William was both a vassal of the French king and a king in his own right, showing a conundrum of feudalism.

The duchy was still controlled by William though so this isn't really possible to implement in the game beyond de jure CB's for France unless someone decides to make a relatively complicated mod in the future to expand on this issue.

not to mention the king of england later invaded normandy and took it back for the English crown from his brother. Or that Henry II king of England ruled most of France at one point.

[Stacks]

Originally posted by lubed_assassin:

Originally posted by Stacks:

The duchy was still controlled by William though so this isn't really possible to implement in the game beyond de jure CB's for France unless someone decides to make a relatively complicated mod in the future to expand on this issue.

not to mention the king of england later invaded normandy and took it back for the English crown from his brother. Or that Henry II king of England ruled most of France at one point.

Sure but this is outside the scope of this thread isn't it?

[Jyggalad]

Originally posted by Shazbot:

historically inaccurate

Boy, I don't know if you have only played for like 10 minutes or something., but that's kind of the whole game. Historically inaccurate. If this game were historically accurate then things like the Kingdom of Jerusalem being in Italy AND Jerusalem would not be a thing.

The game will TRY and follow the general guideline of history, but you are going to be wildly disappointed if you are expecting this to be an accurate retelling of what happened

[Eddie Latium]

^Exactly this. While the setting is historical, the game follows its own course as soon as we press "play".

[Kapika96]

Except, it didn't. It's still a part of France. It's controlled by the King of England, but it's still officially French, even if the French king has no real power over it anymore. You'd have to hold it as England for 100 years for it to officially be considered a part of England, it's definitely not "sudden", until then you'll still get "wrong liege" penalties for vassals there and the French will still have justification to take back control of it.