They revoked my key?

[mr bigdad]

I bought the game a time ago through a good and reliable website. I have many STEAM games from them and nothing wrong. Now I just get told that the Paradox had ordered steam to delete my key as I bought it from another shop and not from them. Now I tried to get help from STEAM, but they just say that they dont help. They just delete it on command. And you cant get ahold of paradox for some reason. Wow! What a shame! I have so many games and always paid for them. What a bad way to treat a loyal customer. I have all dlc for crusader kings 2. Love their work, but am now shocked.

[Gnillek]

Originally posted by Fellington:

When I say scam for paradox, I'm refering to the pricing. The value does not match the price. Pricing can be considered shady if its to maximise profit via rather numerous, expensive dlcs. According to the net, eu4 has 14 expansions... some are considered worthless and buggy. Some are required for the game to play fully.

I never said the games were bad in my post. We are talking about the issue of key sellers and I stated why people might go to shady key sellers. To simply get a better price.

I only referenced paradox's dlc policy, regarding it as a scam because I have defined it as overpriced for what you get. I get more buttons to click or just flavor which a mod can add. Look at reviews of paradox's dlcs. Alot of them are negative. I wonder why? DLC used to be addons and not required to play the game. But in Paradox's case, you need them to have a playable game.

They sell game mechanics which should be in the base game. It's largely thought Paradox does this to get as much profit as possible.

I rarely buy dlc directly from steam/paradox at full price. You might but others won't.

Why should you reward Paradox? They have a profitable monopoly over the grand strategy genre. Rightfully so, since their games are good for the most part but they don't need charge me the extra money. Game companies nowadays only view people's wallets. They don't love you lul. Paradox is simply on the edge of joining the scummy companies which you have noted that do scam people.

Stellaris is a hollow game even with the dlc it seems. I'd rather play Distant Worlds.

Luckily CK3 has come out good and Victoria 3 is coming out. But Imperator Rome was abandoned and Leviathan was obviously a disaster. Hit and miss. But the choice is mine your right and I've already made mine. Just stating my opinion on the matter.

I agree with you. The pricing is sometimes really through the roof of said DLC's. However, I consider it as a necessary evil.

The alternative would be microtransactions in order to maintain maintenance for a game, which is an even bigger scam... You pay much more for even less content. I always compare DLC's to microtransaction and choose the lesser evil.

I'm not a fan of Paradox DLC politics either, BUT I still like the route they are trying to go with it. I know that I said I like their politics in my previous Post. I should have said more clearly that I like the route of selling DLC's rather then using microtransactions.

About the quality of their DLC's you can debate on that for hours. If a DLC is bad, I'm the last one defending such BS. But then again, it is your personal taste and what you want for your money. If it isn't worth to you, don't buy it... But you have to agree that you always receive more for your money, than you would have by buying skins or whatever.

I disagree that they sell Features that "should have been in the game, since the beginning". Everytime they release a DLC, they also release a bigger Update to implement features (like the upcoming Coat of Arms Designer).

They implement and improve Features over time with the help of the community. The development time would also increase if they try to put every single Feature from previous titles (with DLC) in their new game.

Why should you reward Paradox? Simple:
If they release something good, reward it with money... So they keep on doing that.
If they release something awfull, punish them by simple not buying it... So they avoid doing that.
You have the option to watch and read reviews before buying anything.

If you like a game and want that Paradox still maintain it over several years. You have to give them money, so that it is worth for them to maintain said game title. I know that sucks, but that is how it is... For every game nowdays.

And no I'm not a Paradox Fanboy, but I think they are one of the last major Publishers who develop decent games. Sometimes even great games like CK III.

[Woldren]

Originally posted by pauloandrade224:

thats why i buy stuff from steam or their official stuff only.

i hope u can go to the website explain the situation and get refunded myself

I have more then 130 games. I've never bought a single game on steam. They have never revoked any of my games.

[Woldren]

Originally posted by Gnillek:

Originally posted by mr bigdad:

Now I just get told that the Paradox had ordered steam to delete my key as I bought it from another shop and not from them.

Well that is the risk when you buy something from key-shops! Some criminals steal credit card information to buy steam-keys in order to sell them on key-websites (like G2A, MMOGA, ...).

This, for example, is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ xD.
Companies make discounts for these websites. If you by 1 key you'll pay it 50$
If you buy 500 keys you'll pay 30$ each.
Then they resell those keys at 40$, simple.

[Gnillek]

Originally posted by Woldren:

Originally posted by Gnillek:

Well that is the risk when you buy something from key-shops! Some criminals steal credit card information to buy steam-keys in order to sell them on key-websites (like G2A, MMOGA, ...).

This, for example, is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ xD.
Companies make discounts for these websites. If you by 1 key you'll pay it 50$
If you buy 500 keys you'll pay 30$ each.
Then they resell those keys at 40$, simple.

You're talking about official retailers like humble bundle. Many Key-Stores sell their Keys through other Key-Sellers who own the Keys. Just like a salesman uses amazon to sell their products.

xD

[The Hat]

So to duckduckgo search.

Here is a small authorized list of steam resellers from 2020
https://www.epicbundle.com/official-steam-reseller/

Here is a larger one from 6 years ago
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/Yd0M4/list-of-official-licensed-steam-retailersstores

This is all second hand info. It would be nice to see a steam page for this. If there is one, perhaps people can link it for reference.

[pauloandrade224]

Originally posted by Woldren:

Originally posted by pauloandrade224:

thats why i buy stuff from steam or their official stuff only.

i hope u can go to the website explain the situation and get refunded myself

I have more then 130 games. I've never bought a single game on steam. They have never revoked any of my games.

well i wouldn't do it steam only for me

[EmmaKat]

Originally posted by mr bigdad:

Originally posted by pauloandrade224:

nice hopefully its a real key this time

Well it was real the other time. I had the key since it came out. So....why revoke it more than 9 months later?

For a key to be marked as stolen the person whose stolen card was used to purchase it has to report the transaction to their bank, have the charge back approved by them, and for that information to then reach the publisher. They usually revoke the stolen keys in bulk. So the process can take a while.

The fact of the matter is if you bought stolen property it has to be returned to it's original owner (in this case the publisher) you aren't entitled to any compensation from them. It seems the seller has compensated you, so fingers crossed that key wasn't stolen as well.

[Gnillek]

Originally posted by RealDealBreaker:

Dude, I never said or even implied that it wasn't enough. I was just wondering if there was anything else.

Sorry mate, wasn't my intend to offend or lecture you in any way. Just wanted to make clear why CDPR is on the list of naughty developers