is there any way to make the pope your vassal?

[Bluefire]

no anti-popes so I`ve been wondering... no way to force vassalize him with the diplomacy perk

[LzDK14]

It's kingdom level title, so yes. but you'll have to have empire level title.

[Bluefire]

Originally posted by LzDK14:

It's kingdom level title, so yes. but you'll have to have empire level title.

i am playing with the HRE emperor and I can force vassalize the king of france for like 24k prestige but not the pope... I guess its simply not possible

[LzDK14]

Use the force...?
I mean literally, send your troops to
a) make him an offer he cannot refuse
b) persuade him that he will be better under your protection and care
c) conquer him
Take your pick.

[Razorblade]

Originally posted by LzDK14:

Use the force...?
I mean literally, send your troops to
a) make him an offer he cannot refuse
b) persuade him that he will be better under your protection and care
c) conquer him

Stop talking out of your ass. You clearly don't know if it's possible to vassalize the Pope.

[mitchincredible]

Originally posted by Nikomedeia:

no anti-popes so I`ve been wondering... no way to force vassalize him with the diplomacy perk

I accidentally did it as Byzantium. Basically asking the same question because I don't know how I did it lol.

[LzDK14]

Originally posted by Razorblade:

Originally posted by LzDK14:

Use the force...?
I mean literally, send your troops to
a) make him an offer he cannot refuse
b) persuade him that he will be better under your protection and care
c) conquer him

Stop talking out of your ass. You clearly don't know if it's possible to vassalize the Pope.

I suggest you learn how to read. But I'm amazed of your luck levels, it's great that you're randomly hitting those buttons in a way that actual words are forming!

[LzDK14]

Originally posted by mitchincredible:

Originally posted by Nikomedeia:

no anti-popes so I`ve been wondering... no way to force vassalize him with the diplomacy perk

I accidentally did it as Byzantium. Basically asking the same question because I don't know how I did it lol.

Let's see mechanics, shall we?
Papacy is a titular kingdom level title. You cannot claim titular titles, so this means you need to vassalize landed ruler that holds that titular title (not conquer his lands).

And since nor claim can be put on titular title niether can it be usurped (no de jure lands), only military action is possible.

[Bornaclorks]

Originally posted by LzDK14:

Originally posted by mitchincredible:

I accidentally did it as Byzantium. Basically asking the same question because I don't know how I did it lol.

Let's see mechanics, shall we?
Papacy is a titular kingdom level title. You cannot claim titular titles, so this means you need to vassalize landed ruler that holds that titular title (not conquer his lands).

And since nor claim can be put on titular title niether can it be usurped (no de jure lands), only military action is possible.

What casus belli should he use?

[LzDK14]

Originally posted by Tomato:

Originally posted by LzDK14:

Let's see mechanics, shall we?
Papacy is a titular kingdom level title. You cannot claim titular titles, so this means you need to vassalize landed ruler that holds that titular title (not conquer his lands).

And since nor claim can be put on titular title niether can it be usurped (no de jure lands), only military action is possible.

What casus belli should he use?

Holy war with pluralist religion doctrine is the first one that comes to mind. (New) Christian faith so different, that considers Catholics to be hostile at least?
De Jure claim on Italy region also may work, but not sure.

[mitchincredible]

Originally posted by LzDK14:

Originally posted by Tomato:

What casus belli should he use?

Holy war with pluralist religion doctrine is the first one that comes to mind.
De Jure claim on Italy region also may work, but not sure.

I pressed a claim on Latium. Pope kept his holdings, the Romangan king title and (obviously) the papacy. I got the duchy only and just have it back to him as my vassal.

I did the same thing kast time I played Byz but got all the land directly instead.

[LzDK14]

Originally posted by mitchincredible:

Originally posted by LzDK14:

Holy war with pluralist religion doctrine is the first one that comes to mind.
De Jure claim on Italy region also may work, but not sure.

I pressed a claim on Latium. Pope kept his holdings, the Romangan king title and (obviously) the papacy. I got the duchy only and just have it back to him as my vassal.

I did the same thing kast time I played Byz but got all the land directly instead.

Was Pope holding landed kingdom level title? That may be the point, you've vassalized his landed kingdom and received Pope as your puppet as a bonus. (I really wanted to use hand-doll and not a puppet, but this may be a little to much offensive, so see, he became a puppet, and not a hand-doll, not offensive)
Duchy level might not work, since titulars are suppressing lower level landed titles, but not landed same or higher level.
Shouldn't be a propblem with pluralistic holy war.