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House Head is the leader of a branch of the dynasty (Cadet houses), they have the same liberties as the dynasty head but can only put them on their house.
Not sure on what exactly makes you the head however but my guess would be inheritance or prestige.
So, more troops, more counties.
The House head represent the head of a branch of your dynasty. That title goes to the primary heir of the previous Head. Usually first son then.
Dynasty Head is the most powerfull House Head among all the options if there's more than one branch.
But there's 2 bugs in game at the moment with this system :
- the dynasty head can take a year to update. Meaning you might be the most powerfull house head but the game hasn't recognized that yet.
- the elective succession can cause trouble because your primary heir ( who gets the house head ) is not the one you're playing when your previous ruler dies. So you're not house head anymore, can't be dynasty head. You have to create a branch to be house head again, ( which you can't as tribal ), or kill a bunch of people to inherit it.
Look at your dynasty tab, you'll see if you're house head or not. If you are, and if you're stronger than this aunt, wait a few months it'll be fine.
There is a thought about all you said:
Anna is Dynasty Head (all dynasty) and House Head of her branch.
We are 279 living members. All descendants of my grandfather.
And I don't see any other House Head.
So:
1 - Does this mean there is only 1 branch (and therefore only one House Head)?
1.1 - How is a branch defined?
1.2 - If there are several branches, who is the House Head of my branch? And where can I see who he is?
About prestige: I have much more of that than Anna. So that's not it.
About inheritance: It's her son who will inherit.
This means:
(1) Or I murder Anna and her 3 kids (Incredible what CK3 makes us write!)
(2) Or I nominate Anna (or her heir) to assume the Empire title.
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OK. Useful information.
OK, this leads me to ask again, how is a branch defined?
This explains a lot!
I saw it on a Quill18 live and have been checking it out since my king (now emperor) took the throne. So it's not it.
Aha! This is the PROBLEM!
As I suspected: (1) nominate her (or her heir) to assume the Empire title;
(2) or I've get rid of:
- Anna and her 3 kids = -4
- Than the 7 Anna brothers and sisters (and their 2 kids) = - 9
- Than her uncle and descendants = -6
- Than the 2 families of her grandfather brothers (my uncle) = -16
The sum is 35.
At that point, I will have eliminated 1 "branch" of my 14 uncles, and my father was the 10th child.
Now I ONLY have eliminate more 8 "branches" , meaning 216 kins (18+20+18+46+5+32+28+49).
And luckily I am the oldest of my father's children.
So, after supress 251 of my (279 living) family members (in the hope that none will have children) I will be Dynasty Head and House Head.
You know that this mean don't you?
Anna you will be the Empress!
It's weird that the primary heir and the elected heir are 2 different people.
About branches, you gotta check your dynasty tab. Coats of arms are enough to tell if you're in the same branch as somebody else. An official branch has a different name and coat of arms.
https://images.gamewatcherstatic.com/image/file/1/59/110371/20200903133949_1.jpg
Look at the screenshot i've found. That guy's house is different from the dynasty coat of arms. It's clearly written that he's head of both. And the number of houses is also indicated. In that case, 14 heads of their house who compete to be dynasty head. ( It's mostly about strength, but I have yet to see the exact formula to decide who's the strongest... )
My guess is you only have one branch, or you would have seen that kind of thing already in your game.
Ok I got it about the branches.
But...
I discovered a 3rd way to solve it!
Getting married.
Anna is a widow, and her heir isn't married.
I'm 62, in my elective succession I will appoint a son or a niece.
So, I can bet on the next generation:
1 - I can elect my son (who will divorce) and marry Anna - and kill all my (3) stepchildren, or;
2 - Elect my niece, marry (betrothal) with Anna's heir.
This is my main issue with the system
If your entire dynasty are all in line for the kingdom of X, whoever gets voted as King of X should auto get the head of dynasty. Simple as that.
That this nearly always doesn't happen is utterly bewildering.
Well it could become a little complicated, imagine for exemple you're in a situation where there's a few branches to your dynasty, there's no guarantee that "whoever gets voted as King of X" is part of the same house as you are. Dont mix House and Dynasty. It makes sense that one of your kids inherit the head of house title if you chose to elect a cousin from a cadet branch. That cousin is still from your Dynasty, nothing wrong, no risk of game over. And he can't be of two houses. Actually we might want that cousin to become head of his cadet branch if we make him King.
Another scenario : you could also lose the election and end up playing your son, being vassal to someone while still being head of the house and dynasty. At least I think so, it needs some testing ^^ I get that the house can't always be linked to your main title.
So it is tricky to code correctly I suppose. What surprises me is that they didn't fail with those special cases but with the main one : a candidate from our house being elected like we wanted should also be head of house. At least we all thought it would go that way, yet it doesn't.
Its the same thing with the Vassal Limit Bug. If you get a new vassal POOF the number goes up but to get em below the 60 limit again either goes fast or takes ages.. Very annoying micro to have to get below 60 all the time...
Now for the SECOND TIME the absolute baffoon who got MY title despite being a nobody CADET house used MY POINTS for a perk i did NOT want.
I immediately executed him of course for his horrible crimes to the dynasty but it netted me a nice -5 (10 for dynasty) modifier for Dynastic Kinslayer. Perfect...
I had already imprisoned the guy last time that triggered me getting back the house head and i didnt have to kill the dude this time it didnt and he actually used MY points in PRISON lol... Not a very smart move for his head...
All because of a stupid bug or at least i assume it is... Cadet branch should NEVER be able to be head of house especially when he is a lowly king and my vassal... Last time around it was even some COUNT lol.
Not sure I understand correctly because you're mixing house head and dynasty head, that sentence i quoted makes no sense, cadet branch = a house.
But if your problem is that you're head of your house, but not dynasty head when you're the most powerful, then it's because the game check that once a year. In between 2 checks, this can happen yes. Someone said leaving the game and loading again can force a check instead of waiting but I haven't tested myself.
Well precisely, I never suggested it was always easy to figure out or even that with multiple cadet branches it should follow such a simplistic rule. But when there is precisely 1 tree with no cadet branches it should ALWAYS default to the person with the most powerful title. Or in case of a tie (two dukes, or two kings for example) it should then look at military power and territory. Simple as that. It really isn't hard to code or figure that. That they bu****ed it up so much is baffling to be honest. And that nobody who play tested it noticed this is beyond me.
I mean there are lots of things that are minor annoyances at launch but I can forgive those they are very niche specific things that I can understand short form play testing might have missed or overlooked. But this literally happens every time succession occurs, it rarely seems to go to the correct person. It sometimes corrects itself a year or so later, which is even more immersion breaking as its like some arbitrary finger of power decides you are now dynasty head despite your brother doing a good job of it for a year.
This one I don't care much in my own games since I don't mind partition. Except for the fact that confederate partition is broken and the AI abuse the exploit ^^
If you have multiple equal rank characters within the same house then any change is not based on any of the following things over at least a two year period.
- Prestige
- Military Strength
- Number of titles held > 0
- unknown other attributes
Dynasty Head seems to act like a single hidden title linked to...
- House Head
- Number of titles held > 0
...using a male preferred primogeniture succession model.
It is possible using this model to have your Dynasty Head as Unlanded if they lost their only title, I've tested this.
An Unlanded Dynasty Head does not appear to pass that on to his Unlanded heirs as they have no title and so do not meet one of the criteria above.
I think this same House, no switching regardless of strength behaviour, is to add a hysteresis effect to Dynasty Head to prevent it from bouncing between similar strength characters within a dynasty every year..
However...
Creating a Cadet House Head at equal character De Jure rank, e.g. both Earls, does affect this new year Dynasty Head mechanism.
if you have at least one or more of the attributes listed at the top then the Dynasty Head will switch to that character at the next new year.
So I can't say exactly which attribute does this as the target character had more in all three during the testing I did.
Its clear that polling does occur upon the new year but Title Inheritance or a new Cadet House, new House Head, appears to be required to trigger a change in line with the hysteresis above.