Confederate partition is cancer

[Ануслинг]

Is there a way to surpass it rather than waiting for better law typers for 400 years? Its just stupid that my heir gets only capital. while his noname brothers get EVERYTHING ELSE, no matter were they landed or not.
Dont recommend me killing them, there are like 15 candidates, its impossible to kill them all.
Only possible way of playing this game for me is commencing a child crusade every time my ruler is about to die, but this is dumb.
Any suggestions?

[peequi]

Escrito originalmente por Mormacil:

Escrito originalmente por peequi:

Is there a mod or will there be a mod where we can choose which heir gets what? I like partition because it is part of the game and family members going to war is very medieval. But I am guessing historically it was partitioned out in a sane way. So Kid 1 would get holdings all within the same duchy instead of one country here and one country there.

You can already do that, just do that while you're alive. If you give your heirs sufficient titles before your death they're skipped by the partition mechanic.

I am quite certain this is not possible. Titles would be restricted to the titles they are inheriting. So you would not be able to give a title to Kid #1 that Kid#2 is inheriting. In partition law, you cannot control what titles they inherit, although you can give it to them earlier.

[Snakejuice]

Escrito originalmente por peequi:

Titles would be restricted to the titles they are inheriting.

This is only true for your first son (the player heir), you can give kid 2 to kid 100 anything you want and it will remove en equal amount of title from their inheritance, and it only cares about the highest title they stand to inherit so if it says they'll inherit 1 duchy and 3 counties you only have have to give them 1 duchy and 1 county as long as that county is de jure part of the duchy they're getting. Replace duchy with kingdom and counties with duchies if you're an empire.

[BuLLeT]

i know what you mean dude. this ♥♥♥♥ mechanic is the only reason this game isnt that enjoyable for me. i can use the immortality mod but then your heirs kinda dont matter anymore and your character gets too op. i wish they would make it more like EU than this hardcore succesion mechanic

[MasterKroket]

Hmm just disinherit all the sons except the one you like..... Should he die then you can restore inheritance of one...
Early on it will be hard to do with the renown cost but currently i am making 28,8 renown a month with over a 1000 living family members so the little bit of prestige and renown doesnt really hurt me and makes it so that my empire does nto break up!
More annoying constraints is the vassal limit with the scattered empire.
Early on it can be hard to afford the renown thats true... I rushed to get Kingdom and Empire before my ruler died and succeeded twice. If i hadnt wouldnt have been as easy as it was to conquer all of western and northern europe + a good bit of russia

[Tex]

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Easy guide how to deal with confederate partition:

1. Be the head of your dinasty

2. Choose one kid who you want to be heir

3. Right-click on all other kids and choose Disinherit option (will cost some Prestige and Renown)

Boom! Succession is safe! And don't worry about legacies - disinherited kids are still part of your dinasty and will contribute to Renown income.

You fk your renown by doing that and thus seriously limit your dynasty upgrades

Not a viable method.

[gidro]

Escrito originalmente por Tex:

Escrito originalmente por Gazebo:

Easy guide how to deal with confederate partition:

1. Be the head of your dinasty

2. Choose one kid who you want to be heir

3. Right-click on all other kids and choose Disinherit option (will cost some Prestige and Renown)

Boom! Succession is safe! And don't worry about legacies - disinherited kids are still part of your dinasty and will contribute to Renown income.

You fk your renown by doing that and thus seriously limit your dynasty upgrades

Not a viable method.

Yeah, ridiculously costy way to deal with partition.

Learning tree, 2 perks to unlock and you can be celibate. Almost perfect, and if you're unlucky that's when other tactics can be used, like forcing your sons to be champions, desinherit ( to be avoided as much as possible ), and why not let the succession happen, the ruler can deal with one brother. If there's 15 candidates left alive, you're doing many things wrong.

[Someguyinhere]

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You fk your renown by doing that and thus seriously limit your dynasty upgrades

Not a viable method.

Yeah, ridiculously costy way to deal with partition.

Learning tree, 2 perks to unlock and you can be celibate. Almost perfect, and if you're unlucky that's when other tactics can be used, like forcing your sons to be champions, desinherit ( to be avoided as much as possible ), and why not let the succession happen, the ruler can deal with one brother. If there's 15 candidates left alive, you're doing many things wrong.

I mean, yeah. I think there should be more dynasty planning and management options. Royals might have pumped out 12+ kids, but they also DEFINITELY had plans and laws in place to reasonably control their dynasty and land. That's pragmatism, and people in Medieval Europe were generally very pragmatic.

[Admod, the Equivocal]

I honestly don't like confederate partition myself. I do like partition though. I just don't like when titles are simply created. Then again...it does save me gold in the early game. :/ I need more hours playing this game. Ck2 was just partition. Ck3 is the new and more hated confederate partition. xD

[Hans]

MAKE ALL THE BABIES!

WATCH YOUR CHILDREN DESTROY EVERYTHING YOU CREATED!

STAB ALL YOUR SIBLINGS IN THE BACK TO REUNITE YOUR KINGDOM!

Then hope you live long enough to forge an Empire... or die suddenly to cancer and the cycle repeats itself.

[gidro]

Escrito originalmente por Admod, the Equivocal:

I honestly don't like confederate partition myself. I do like partition though. I just don't like when titles are simply created. Then again...it does save me gold in the early game. :/ I need more hours playing this game. Ck2 was just partition. Ck3 is the new and more hated confederate partition. xD

CK2 created titles too, I haven't played in a long time but I remember it happening to me. I think with elective gavelkind.

[The Former]

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Escrito originalmente por TimberMeShivers:

How are you even getting the capital? In my game my heir gets some undeveloped backwater instead of the capital

In the end it doesnt matter, because even if u have 1 brother, he gets EVERYTHING, and u get nothing. It happens evey time, i even swithed characters a few times to conquer the main weak retarded heir.
Only reliable way is to go the torturer tree and kill everyone u dont like (u can also abuse vassal imprisonment for insane income), 0 revolts, 0 brothers. Playing diplomacy tree and being nice is pointless. Its fine to win wars with allies without even raising troops and bathe in renown, BUT THIS ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ CONFEDERATE PARTITION IS ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ AND KILLS ALL THE FUN.

One, if you have one brother, everything is split equally based on the relative value of the titles involved. If you only have one title, it means it's a very lucrative title.

Two, if you think confederate partition is killing all the fun, this isn't the game for you, friend. Might I suggest Europa Universalis? The point of CK3 is not to forge an empire. The point of CK3 is to forge a strong dynasty, and that doesn't require an empire. The point of Europa Universalis is to forge an empire.

[corisai]

Escrito originalmente por TimberMeShivers:

Nope, I had feudal elective and had an unlanded grandson elected heir. The firstborn of my ruler got the capital holding of my primary duchy instead.

LOOOOL...
Elective succession is NOT guaranteeing you to inherit anything. If you're using it you should make sure that voters under your control (hooks, high relationship) or will get a result like you'd received.

[JuX]

Let me spell it out for you guys, since it seems to be difficult to comprehend. You don't play as a realm of a county, duchy, kingdom nor an empire. You play as a character in the medieval era and if you can't handle succession laws then maybe you should have been playing Europa Universalis games instead.

This is just a game... can't even imagine the family fueds you be having when someone in your close family dies and inheritance rolls in divided.

[50 Shades of Gandalf the Grey]

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Escrito originalmente por 50 Shades of Gandalf the Grey:

I don't know why people are so bothered by succession laws. I just posted a thread about taking over half the world by 1220 from a 1066 start, and I am still using the default succession laws I started with.

The secret is to have your main title be male-preference, and to do more family planning than planned parenthood. Specifically, only have one son, ever.

This will somewhat hamper your congential stat chasing (though occasional incest can easily come to the rescue here!), but make title management a breeze, since the one son will always get everything, full stop.

This can be done in a variety of ways. If you're sadistic, you can simply murder extra heirs. You can also force them to behave as knights, and get into stupid holy wars where you try to intentionally kill them. You can disinherit them as a Dynasty option. You can embrace Celibacy through a quick 2 perk dip into the Learning tree. You can divorce your wife after you get an heir because EVERYONE is ALWAYS ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ everyone else (your spymaster can verify this). You can murder your wife. The possibilities are endless.

If something happens to your one son, there's a 99% chance it will be during childhood. So have your son around the age of 30-40ish, so that is something DOES happen to him, you'll have time to make another.

If you're pushing the end of middle age and have no son, start seducing everyone that will speak to you.

Tons of options!

All very gamey. OP's point is that their should be better inheritance options without resorting to these gamey options.

7 or 8 different choices across multiple playstyle variants is 'gamey'? Including those with the opportunity to fail or have repurcussions? GTFO.

[AdahnGorion]

Go play EUIV and you get what you seek