Why so few levis and money?

[metafa]

I am quite the big kingdom, now hold most of Italy and Eastern Francia. Why do I only get ~1000 levis and 4-5 gold?

[GAMER DOWN]

Perhaps your demense limit is surpassed, low martial skill and/or modified feudal contracts with your vassals so that they barely contribute any levies

[gidro]

If some of your vassals are not de jure, they barely give you anything. Look at your vassal tab and find what's going on.

Since you're in Italy and Germany, I imagine you're feudal, so they don't give that much to begin with. You better count on yourself and I don't know how you get only 1000 levy and 5 gold. It should be more than that from your own counties.

[Fenris]

Also check your control level. A low control level will sap both levies and gold. A lot of vassals are complete idiots, you can give them a county with 100 control and within months the control will already be at 70 and falling. And if your vassals are allowed to fight each other, they will screw up any areas they take over.

[Vogelmeister]

Look at your vassal list in the domain menu. Sometimes a vassal doesn't recognize you as their rightful liege. If this is the case, they will have a little yellow/red icon next to their name in the list. These vassals will give you a handful of levies and barely any tax money at all.

[metafa]

Thank you all. Will check the vassals
tab immediately after work. Why would vassals not be de jure? I took over much of Italy "legally" after declaring war based on a claim. I have a lot to learn in this game.

[Freedom]

Originally posted by metafa:

Thank you all. Will check the vassals
tab immediately after work. Why would vassals not be de jure? I took over much of Italy "legally" after declaring war based on a claim. I have a lot to learn in this game.

The boot has 3 kingdoms... 2 of which are de jure to the empire of Italy.. One too Byzantium. So, having de jure issues is not uncommon depending on what you hold.

[metafa]

Originally posted by Randall Flagg:

Originally posted by metafa:

Thank you all. Will check the vassals
tab immediately after work. Why would vassals not be de jure? I took over much of Italy "legally" after declaring war based on a claim. I have a lot to learn in this game.

The boot has 3 kingdoms... 2 of which are de jure to the empire of Italy.. One too Byzantium. So, having de jure issues is not uncommon depending on what you hold.

Thank you, good to know.

What I also find strange is that I can give up all duchy titles, except for 1 specific one (Verona), because if I do that, my heir is exchanged for the guy I'm giving it to, and suddenly my grandson is not the "next" heir anymore but his own son. But that doesn't happen with the other duchies. What's the rationale behind this? Does this have to do with de jure?

[Vogelmeister]

Originally posted by metafa:

Thank you all. Will check the vassals
tab immediately after work. Why would vassals not be de jure? I took over much of Italy "legally" after declaring war based on a claim. I have a lot to learn in this game.

Well, let's say a random courtier of yours has a claim on a county or two. You conquer that territory, press the courtier's claims and make him your vassal. Ungrateful bastard that he is, he will not recognize you as his de jure liege. However, if you create, inherit or otherwise get hold of a duchy which includes his lands, he will immediately recognize your authority and start paying up. Well, that's just one situation that I've encountered during my limited play time. I'm sure there are more ways to run into this problem and deal with it.

[Aurian]

Levies and gold are also dependent on buildings you and your vassals have built / upgrades. The AI isn't very good about investing gold in upgrades, or building new cities and temples. Not much you can do about that, but make sure to invest your gold in upgrades for your own counties so you can get more troops and gold in the future.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by Vogelmeister:

Originally posted by metafa:

Thank you all. Will check the vassals
tab immediately after work. Why would vassals not be de jure? I took over much of Italy "legally" after declaring war based on a claim. I have a lot to learn in this game.

Well, let's say a random courtier of yours has a claim on a county or two. You conquer that territory, press the courtier's claims and make him your vassal. Ungrateful bastard that he is, he will not recognize you as his de jure liege. However, if you create, inherit or otherwise get hold of a duchy which includes his lands, he will immediately recognize your authority and start paying up. Well, that's just one situation that I've encountered during my limited play time. I'm sure there are more ways to run into this problem and deal with it.

If you're a foreign king for a county, you also would have to hold the local kingdom title. Same issue on the empire level, with all kingdoms where you don't own the emperor title above.

And this goes down through the line, large parts of the vassal chain are simply not de jure. With the guaranteed 14-month claim forging and the wandering guests, the problem has gigantic proportions.

And the reduction is like what, 90%? Or more? That is why you have vassals with 2 kingdom titles, but only 1,500 total troop strength. Basically less than the average Count has.

[Vogelmeister]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

And the reduction is like what, 90%? Or more? That is why you have vassals with 2 kingdom titles, but only 1,500 total troop strength. Basically less than the average Count has.

Yes, the reduction rate is huge. I guess it's their way of balancing out the fact that it's incredibly easy to declare wars in CK3. It's a welcome move, certainly, since forging claims used to take forever and sometimes didn't happen at all. But now they've sort of gone to the other extreme – it's like my chancelor is producing those claims on a home printer.

[CrUsHeR]

Yeah i generally like the idea. Basically all non-de jure lands are "occupied territories" where you have no tangible access to its resources.

The problem is just that there is no way to enforce any kind of de jure structure, at least not without constant -500 tyranny.

And the AI, all the way down to the lowest counts, does nothing else than forging and pressing claims. It does not weigh in that these unrightfully obtained lands are not worth anything, unless they personally hold the county themselves.

The global auto-alliance mechanic from marriages further accelerates the chaos, in particular since the AI always declares war with a firm expectation of all allies to join them.

[metafa]

Originally posted by Vogelmeister:

Originally posted by metafa:

Thank you all. Will check the vassals
tab immediately after work. Why would vassals not be de jure? I took over much of Italy "legally" after declaring war based on a claim. I have a lot to learn in this game.

Well, let's say a random courtier of yours has a claim on a county or two. You conquer that territory, press the courtier's claims and make him your vassal. Ungrateful bastard that he is, he will not recognize you as his de jure liege. However, if you create, inherit or otherwise get hold of a duchy which includes his lands, he will immediately recognize your authority and start paying up. Well, that's just one situation that I've encountered during my limited play time. I'm sure there are more ways to run into this problem and deal with it.

Pretty sure that is my problem. Question is: How to correct it? I am indeed owner of a lot of duchies with vassals who don't recognize me. What to do about it? Can more kingdom authority make this right? Do I need to get rid of them as vassals either by murder or royal decree (forgot what the name of this was in-game) and put in my own people?

[metafa]

Originally posted by metafa:

Originally posted by Vogelmeister:

Well, let's say a random courtier of yours has a claim on a county or two. You conquer that territory, press the courtier's claims and make him your vassal. Ungrateful bastard that he is, he will not recognize you as his de jure liege. However, if you create, inherit or otherwise get hold of a duchy which includes his lands, he will immediately recognize your authority and start paying up. Well, that's just one situation that I've encountered during my limited play time. I'm sure there are more ways to run into this problem and deal with it.

Pretty sure that is my problem. Question is: How to correct it? I am indeed owner of a lot of duchies with vassals who don't recognize me. What to do about it? Can more kingdom authority make this right? Do I need to get rid of them as vassals either by murder or royal decree (forgot what the name of this was in-game) and put in my own people?

Oh I already see. One way to remedy this is to create all kinds of titles I don't hold yet. Damn... they cost a bunch of money of course.

[Vogelmeister]

Originally posted by metafa:

Oh I already see. One way to remedy this is to create all kinds of titles I don't hold yet. Damn... they cost a bunch of money of course.

Yeah, that's exactly what you need to do – create duchies that contain respective territories. I'd argue that if you care about money at all, you should make this a priority. The sooner you deal with it, the less income you'll lose over time.