integrate title

[Husyta]

why I have mesage: " it is not the jure driftings towards kingdom..." when I try t integrate title?

[Team Triss]

Are you at war? Is it being occupied by someone else?

You can only integrate titles if they're already drifting towards being de jure under your rule, which means you rule them and they're not contested. Integrate title just speeds it up.

[CrUsHeR]

It works like this:

All duchies and kingdoms are "de jure" part of a higher title. If they are held by a non-de jure higher title, they will drift into this one over the course of 100 years. Counties can never drift into another duchy.

Example: Holding duchies in Scotland as the King of Ireland will drift these to become part of Ireland. Once this is completed, these duchies are no longer considered "de jure" Scotland.

The councillor job just speeds this up.

[JuX]

It's a bit pointless feature when it takes over 40 years to complete for a small return. While simply forming a empire is pretty much instant integration of everything within your realm.

[EA Latium]

Originally posted by JuX:

It's a bit pointless feature when it takes over 40 years to complete for a small return. While simply forming a empire is pretty much instant integration of everything within your realm.

That follows the same process. Not being De Jure Liege also has a malus over taxes and levies, so it's good to eventually save around 60 years.

[I got 1984'd]

Here is a very easy to understand example.

Say you are king of england. And there is a duchy you own which is located in French land. Which makes that duchy title a de jure for kingdom of france. You want that duchy to be integrated faster as part of england. You use the integrate title option.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by EA Latium:

Originally posted by JuX:

It's a bit pointless feature when it takes over 40 years to complete for a small return. While simply forming a empire is pretty much instant integration of everything within your realm.

That follows the same process. Not being De Jure Liege also has a malus over taxes and levies, so it's good to eventually save around 60 years.

Yes, and no. Basically you can send the chancellor on this job if he has nothing better to do. He doesn't have to complete it, you don't lose anything by sending him to another job (unlike proselytizing).

But i rarely find a situation where the other two chancellor jobs wouldn't be much more important.

Also you can simply hold the de jure title instead, problem with taxes and levies solved.

[EA Latium]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Yes, and no. Basically you can send the chancellor on this job if he has nothing better to do. He doesn't have to complete it, you don't lose anything by sending him to another job (unlike proselytizing).

But i rarely find a situation where the other two chancellor jobs wouldn't be much more important.

Also you can simply hold the de jure title instead, problem with taxes and levies solved.

I meant that the integration process doesn't become redundant creating an Empire Title. Personally I rarely use it as well.

[JuX]

Originally posted by EA Latium:

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Yes, and no. Basically you can send the chancellor on this job if he has nothing better to do. He doesn't have to complete it, you don't lose anything by sending him to another job (unlike proselytizing).

But i rarely find a situation where the other two chancellor jobs wouldn't be much more important.

Also you can simply hold the de jure title instead, problem with taxes and levies solved.

I meant that the integration process doesn't become redundant creating an Empire Title. Personally I rarely use it as well.

But it does seem to be redundant. I had territories which could have been integrated, but instead i became an empire and they got integrated automatically.

Only thing which is important is converting culture. Religious conversion not so much, when you can just convert them using diplomacy.

[EA Latium]

Originally posted by JuX:

But it does seem to be redundant. I had territories which could have been integrated, but instead i became an empire and they got integrated automatically.

Only thing which is important is converting culture. Religious conversion not so much, when you can just convert them using diplomacy.

I see what you mean, but it's still has its pros having in a certain Kingdom Title, or alternatively, to integrate a Duchy or Kingdom themselves in the Empire (even prior making it if it's not too far into the campaign).