How to get a duchy or how to get rid of my liege

[Murion]

So i am playing a north Dude and i have five four of them are Part of one duchy (?) but i cant usurp or create a title cause it would be the Same hierarchy as my liege? I struggle to grasp the concept and rules here. How can i become a Duke? Do i have to get Independent?

[Nut Gobbler]

You should be able to usurp the title of your liege.

[ZeroTheHero]

Originally posted by Murion:

So i am playing a north Dude and i have five four of them are Part of one duchy (?) but i cant usurp or create a title cause it would be the Same hierarchy as my liege? I struggle to grasp the concept and rules here. How can i become a Duke? Do i have to get Independent?

You can't usurp the duchy if your liege is not independent.
1) So you can try and fabricate the Duchy claim for the one county you don't have. I have tried this by rejecting the county numerous times so depends on luck if you also get the duchy claim. Not a great option.
2) Right-click liege and Make war for independence then create the duchy when you are independent. This is the best way I have found.

I am assuming here that your liege holds the duchy title. This was the case with my game.

[Lane]

There is a perk you can get right at the start of stewardship lifestyle called Claim Throne from your Liege. Never tried it, might be the thing you need.

[ZeroTheHero]

Originally posted by Lane:

There is a perk you can get right at the start of stewardship lifestyle called Claim Throne from your Liege. Never tried it, might be the thing you need.

I also tried this but couldn't figure out how to make it work. Would like to know how this works!

[Dragster6681]

Use the Independence war Casus Belli, will cost 250 prestige if Tribal or 500 prestige if not.

[ZeroTheHero]

Originally posted by Dragster6681:

Use the Independence war Casus Belli, will cost 250 prestige if Tribal or 500 prestige if not.

Is that the same as right-clicking on liege and Make war for independence and does that also mean you need the stewardship perk to be able to do this.

I am going to reload the start of the game and do some testing on this!

[Dragster6681]

Originally posted by Lane:

There is a perk you can get right at the start of stewardship lifestyle called Claim Throne from your Liege. Never tried it, might be the thing you need.

The perk you are thinking of is the "Enables claim throne scheme", I would imagine you would have to set the scheme going and hope you get enough power for it to trigger in your favour.

[Dragster6681]

Originally posted by ZeroTheHero:

Originally posted by Dragster6681:

Use the Independence war Casus Belli, will cost 250 prestige if Tribal or 500 prestige if not.

Is that the same as right-clicking on liege and Make war for independence and does that also mean you need the stewardship perk to be able to do this.

I am going to reload the start of the game and do some testing on this!

No, just click on it, pay the prestige and go to war with him. I used this in one of my earlier playthroughs when I wanted to become a duke as well.