How To Get Out Of Tribal Hell

[Arson]

Hey friends, looking for some tips on how to move on from being Tribal. I cannot Adopt Feudal Ways until I have all Tribal Era Innovations, and it's pretty slow going. I am Cultural Head, but it often takes 5-15 years per tech.

Any tips?

[CrUsHeR]

There are like 3 threads on this topic already on the past 1-2 forum pages.

[Arson]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

There are like 3 threads on this topic already on the past 1-2 forum pages.

I saw just one, and in it your suggestion was to change to another culture. I'm looking to avoid that.

[NANI YO?! B-BAKA!!!]

Swear fealthy to feudal -> no needs for innovations just reformed religion.
change culture that have all innovations and come back to yours.
Reform religion while having feudal capital (i think its bug, but worked for me, maybe it was one time only bug?) Last option will not turn all your holding into feudal just in case.

[gidro]

Someone mentionned a situation where he lived on feudal land and became feudal when he reformed his religion.

Or you can become the vassal of someone feudal.

Otherwise, you wait i suppose. Don't forget the perk to get 35% bonus. Now that I know the game better, that something I should have done with every character as soon as I was the head of my culture.

[Arson]

Originally posted by gidro:

Someone mentionned a situation where he lived on feudal land and became feudal when he reformed his religion.

Or you can become the vassal of someone feudal.

Otherwise, you wait i suppose. Don't forget the perk to get 35% bonus. Now that I know the game better, that something I should have done with every character as soon as I was the head of my culture.

I already have an organized religion, so that one is out I'm afraid.

I'm about to be an emperor, so not looking to vassalize myself. Perhaps I'll just wait it out.

[ℕatas Ҝhan}HvC{2.0]

i think the innovations go up extremely slow and will probably be increased in a coming patch. even with a 100 learning stat it still takes like 5+ years to get an innovation.

[NANI YO?! B-BAKA!!!]

I feel like issue is here, that learning incrase % of base value, and base value is.... average county development of your culture. Where you vassals dont give a ♥♥♥♥ about it and do not use steward for it.

[gidro]

5 years is super fast, you'll end up stuck waiting for 1200 for a while if you can keep that speed to blaze through the previous area ^^

[ℕatas Ҝhan}HvC{2.0]

Originally posted by NANI YO?! B-BAKA!!!:

I feel like issue is here, that learning incrase % of base value, and base value is.... average county development of your culture. Where you vassals dont give a ♥♥♥♥ about it and do not use steward for it.

the main problem is that tribal doesnt have to worry about Development at all and because of that it slows down "research" i guess

[Arson]

Originally posted by ℕatas Ҝhan}HvC{2.0:

Originally posted by NANI YO?! B-BAKA!!!:

I feel like issue is here, that learning incrase % of base value, and base value is.... average county development of your culture. Where you vassals dont give a ♥♥♥♥ about it and do not use steward for it.

the main problem is that tribal doesnt have to worry about Development at all and because of that it slows down "research" i guess

I just noticed earlier today that development really does push culture research speed, and my guess is that myself, like a lot of others, mostly ignore development as Tribal because you get almost no bonus from it.

[NANI YO?! B-BAKA!!!]

Originally posted by Arson:

Originally posted by ℕatas Ҝhan}HvC{2.0:

the main problem is that tribal doesnt have to worry about Development at all and because of that it slows down "research" i guess

I just noticed earlier today that development really does push culture research speed, and my guess is that myself, like a lot of others, mostly ignore development as Tribal because you get almost no bonus from it.

Yea that why i focus on it after turning counties to my culture to reduce rebelions ^^
But seems like my vassals dont care about it and its based on average...

[Jmac]

tribal isn't the evil demon that it was in ck2 and i don't think people realize that.
People are coming in hating tribal, myself included, but ck3 is really a lot different in how vassals work and how kingdoms work under an emperor anyways.

Consider this, in ck2 we all wanted to be emperor to have kingdoms under us because it was nice having those kings fight for us and it was easy to manage.

now in ck3 they don't fight for us at all. They act like any other vassal who gives gold and levies.
unless we have an alliance its worthless..

Now however what they did do was make this game dynasty focused. SO for example. say you have 4 kingoms and ur emperor with lets say 4 kids.

Ur main kid gets ur main kingdom duchy and counties, each son/daughter if ur religion is equal, gets one kingdom.

now because they are members of ur house, you can call them to war.

the dynamics have changed, we all use to hurry to fuedal to get primo

With disinherit, sadistic and how things work now, primo isn't as important as it use to be, now having felling dynasty members in power seems more valuable

just my opinion

[Arson]

Originally posted by jmacjmac006:

tribal isn't the evil demon that it was in ck2 and i don't think people realize that.
People are coming in hating tribal, myself included, but ck3 is really a lot different in how vassals work and how kingdoms work under an emperor anyways.

Consider this, in ck2 we all wanted to be emperor to have kingdoms under us because it was nice having those kings fight for us and it was easy to manage.

now in ck3 they don't fight for us at all. They act like any other vassal who gives gold and levies.
unless we have an alliance its worthless..

Now however what they did do was make this game dynasty focused. SO for example. say you have 4 kingoms and ur emperor with lets say 4 kids.

Ur main kid gets ur main kingdom duchy and counties, each son/daughter if ur religion is equal, gets one kingdom.

now because they are members of ur house, you can call them to war.

the dynamics have changed, we all use to hurry to fuedal to get primo

With disinherit, sadistic and how things work now, primo isn't as important as it use to be, now having felling dynasty members in power seems more valuable

just my opinion

I mostly want to attain Feudal so I can obtain the higher level innovations. I cannot exit the Tribal Era while I'm a Tribal Government.

[NANI YO?! B-BAKA!!!]

humm, maybe is worth more to play small, unique culture and care about development for reserach instead of going fast into empires and then struggle with it...

[Arson]

Originally posted by NANI YO?! B-BAKA!!!:

humm, maybe is worth more to play small, unique culture and care about development for reserach instead of going fast into empires and then struggle with it...

I started out as a single count, unmarried, only 2 children. My dynasty had 3 members. Myself and 2 children.

I'm on my 5th ruler in this dynasty with over 150 dynasty members total. I'm definitely not "rushing" to emperor. It has taken me 250 years and I'm still in the Tribal Era. I would really like to move on, hence why I was asking for tips.