Insular Christianity

[Heraclius Caesar]

in my current game this form of religion seems to be taking over my realm, half or more of my vassals have converted to it and keep going. what's the point of this? where did it come from? my characters are french catholic karlings ruling the empire of francia so why is this happening? anyone else dealing with this?
also, why would insular christians get bonus wives, consider catholics righteous yet still give a negative opinion hit towards them? even when i go out of my way to bring these heretic vassals opinions of me up as much as possible, at least 70+, they still refuse to convert. something amiss here or what?

[Oubley]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Lord Lurk:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Heraclius Caesar:

is there any benefits to converting to insular?

You get to have 4 wives, which means you alone get to always look for 4 alliances, or increase the insane amount of children you'll have for the breeding simulation, or for expanding your Dynasty member count rapidly.

It allows for extreme flexibility, especially later on with heir designation. You can set aside 2 wives as alliance wives, then use the 2 other ones for passing down specific traits, etc.

I thought Norse could take other people too. Theirs they can take prisoners, though they probably don't have the alliances option.

It's not 4, but there is the diplo perk to create an alliance without a marriage.

i don't know how important 4 alliances is though with multiple wives, haven't seemed to have a problem creating children.

Couldn't one just seduce non wives and use the children too, only slightly slower.

[Lord Lurk]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Oubley:

I thought Norse could take other people too. Theirs they can take prisoners, though they probably don't have the alliances option.

It's not 4, but there is the diplo perk to create an alliance without a marriage.

Being Insular means you never have to bother with the diplo tree if you don't want to, I prefer the education tree then stewardship myself, but I am also stacking as much XP bonuses as possible.

The Norse religion lets you take concubines I believe, but all children born from them give you -1 diplo from 'child of concubine'. Insular does not give this negative because all 4 wives are considered actual wives, just like if you were playing a Muslim.

[mitchincredible]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Lord Lurk:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Oubley:

I thought Norse could take other people too. Theirs they can take prisoners, though they probably don't have the alliances option.

It's not 4, but there is the diplo perk to create an alliance without a marriage.

Being Insular means you never have to bother with the diplo tree if you don't want to, I prefer the education tree then stewardship myself, but I am also stacking as much XP bonuses as possible.

The Norse religion lets you take concubines I believe, but all children born from them give you -1 diplo from 'child of concubine'. Insular does not give this negative because all 4 wives are considered actual wives, just like if you were playing a Muslim.

Diplo in CKIII almost seems nerfed because there's that Steward tree that basically does the same thing as what high diplo did in CKII.

[FON]

You need to set heresies to "strict" on the game rules. It's only going to appear in wales, scotland and ireland then

[Kungflooki]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Heraclius Caesar:

interesting. does it mess up relations with the pope or make it so you can't go on crusade or anything like that?

In real life Insular Christianity or the loose term 'Celtic Christianity' was still very much a part of the Roman Catholic church and still recognised the Vatican and Pope as the seat of authority in Christianity. The Roman Catholic Church considered them as part of their Church as well.

However CK3 does not show this. Religions in CK3 cant share the same Religious head so you end up with inaccurate stuff like this.

Gameplaywise I think their is a small relation penalty but because Insular and Roman dont consider each other evil its not that great of a problem also dont quote me on this, I'm assuming because Insular Christianity dont have the Pope as a religious head they cant join crusades.

[Admod, the Equivocal]

Best part about insular faith is members see all forms of Christianity as righteous so you still wont' have any negative opinion modifiers coming from them. It'll only be you that's upset with them. xD

[Oubley]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Lord Lurk:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Oubley:

I thought Norse could take other people too. Theirs they can take prisoners, though they probably don't have the alliances option.

It's not 4, but there is the diplo perk to create an alliance without a marriage.

Being Insular means you never have to bother with the diplo tree if you don't want to, I prefer the education tree then stewardship myself, but I am also stacking as much XP bonuses as possible.

The Norse religion lets you take concubines I believe, but all children born from them give you -1 diplo from 'child of concubine'. Insular does not give this negative because all 4 wives are considered actual wives, just like if you were playing a Muslim.

you can just make someone a concubine though, it doesn't matter how much they like you. You actually have to find someone willing to give their daughter to you though. It's also a way to break someone's alliance, cause if they were someone else wife at one point... that inconveniantly happened to me a couple times. So they gain someone to father children with , while potentially breaking an alliance or prevent an alliance from forming.

I don't see -1 being that big of a hit, even if it stacked. cause you can only hit 0 once, so if i'm following you correctly, after awhile it doesn't really do anything anyway.

doesn't romancing give one prestige, so it's almost like a built in reason too to get prestige and get your concubines relationship up too, personally wouldn't want a lady pissed off at me in game, sounds like a death waiting to happen.

[Donathan Cheadledge]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Heraclius Caesar:

also, why would insular christians get bonus wives, consider catholics righteous yet still give a negative opinion hit towards them? even when i go out of my way to bring these heretic vassals opinions of me up as much as possible, at least 70+, they still refuse to convert. something amiss here or what?

With regards to this point, insular is designed to represent a very specific type of Christianity where they still generally believe in the basic tenets of Catholicism, but their church is very rural and unregulated and so individual rulers are freer to have strange interpretations of christianity and fob off doctrine whenever they want. So in terms of game mechanics it comes out quite... interesting.

The spread of religion in ck3 is cool as hell imo but does need dialing back a litte: Every game there's dukes just converting to any old rubbish.

[CrUsHeR]

Insular are not heretics, Catholics cannot do holy wars against them - same like with orthodox.


Well i started as Ireland yesterday, switched to Catholic to mooch about 600g from the pope. The Catholic Fervor was around 20 after a while, with 150+ years to convert some counties. Then i switched back to Insular, and about 1/3 of the lords in England and Scotland did the same.

Just so you know why this happens.

[Lord Lurk]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย CrUsHeR:

Insular are not heretics, Catholics cannot do holy wars against them - same like with orthodox.


Well i started as Ireland yesterday, switched to Catholic to mooch about 600g from the pope. The Catholic Fervor was around 20 after a while, with 150+ years to convert some counties. Then i switched back to Insular, and about 1/3 of the lords in England and Scotland did the same.

Just so you know why this happens.

The crusade the pope called in my game against Insular rulers in England essentially, begs to differ.

https://i.imgur.com/F6NkGzU.png

[CrUsHeR]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Lord Lurk:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย CrUsHeR:

Insular are not heretics, Catholics cannot do holy wars against them - same like with orthodox.


Well i started as Ireland yesterday, switched to Catholic to mooch about 600g from the pope. The Catholic Fervor was around 20 after a while, with 150+ years to convert some counties. Then i switched back to Insular, and about 1/3 of the lords in England and Scotland did the same.

Just so you know why this happens.

The crusade the pope called in my game against Insular rulers in England essentially, begs to differ.

https://i.imgur.com/F6NkGzU.png

The defenders are all Norse which are obviously Asatru in this start date.

[Al120]

Insulaar Christanity was honestly one of the best things to over take my realm. My liege took it, and then I got presented to it and was like. Multiple wives? More alliances in an emergeancy hell yeah!

I could be Salty given how Catholosim and the Pope never liked me in the start of CKIII and and basically all my experince with CKII so any excuse to NOT have to deal with him is an automatic plus.

[Lord Lurk]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย CrUsHeR:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Lord Lurk:

The crusade the pope called in my game against Insular rulers in England essentially, begs to differ.

https://i.imgur.com/F6NkGzU.png

The defenders are all Norse which are obviously Asatru in this start date.

In my game they all converted to Insular except one.

[CrUsHeR]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Lord Lurk:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย CrUsHeR:

The defenders are all Norse which are obviously Asatru in this start date.

In my game they all converted to Insular except one.

Then it is because of that one. Catholics cannot engage in holy wars with Insulars.

Catholics consider Insulars "astray", and Insulars consider Catholics "righteous". You need to be at least "hostile" for a holy war.



Edit: Come to think of it, if CK2 is the measure, in theory it could be because the holy site in Kent is hold by a non-catholic. There you can also redirect a crusade against byzantium, for example.