Insular Christianity

[Heraclius Caesar]

in my current game this form of religion seems to be taking over my realm, half or more of my vassals have converted to it and keep going. what's the point of this? where did it come from? my characters are french catholic karlings ruling the empire of francia so why is this happening? anyone else dealing with this?
also, why would insular christians get bonus wives, consider catholics righteous yet still give a negative opinion hit towards them? even when i go out of my way to bring these heretic vassals opinions of me up as much as possible, at least 70+, they still refuse to convert. something amiss here or what?

[Grigor4233]

Ireland

[mitchincredible]

Originally posted by Heraclius Caesar:

in my current game this form of religion seems to be taking over my realm, half or more of my vassals have converted to it and keep going. what's the point of this? where did it come from? my characters are french catholic karlings ruling the empire of francia so why is this happening? anyone else dealing with this?
also, why would insular christians get bonus wives, consider catholics righteous yet still give a negative opinion hit towards them? even when i go out of my way to bring these heretic vassals opinions of me up as much as possible, at least 70+, they still refuse to convert. something amiss here or what?

It seems to be the most common heresay when you're playing in that area. I wonder what the requirements are for it to spawn compared to other heresies.

[Lord Lurk]

It starts in Ireland, and the reason why it spreads so fast is because the catholic faith is crap in CK3, always low fervor unless lucky RNG or player intervention. It's the same as it was in CK2, it starts fine but crumbles because its moral authority would tank.

The best way to counter it is to forcefully convert any lands, even your vassals, back to your faith, and ensure that your faith holds as many holy sites as possible for the fervor increase tick. Having a much higher learning compared to anyone you are asking to convert also helps a good bit.

[Oubley]

for 867, When you release prisoners you have the option of having them convert. Also for a small fee I've had both my vassals and entire county converted. And nominal I mean go raid like two or three places, if it's later it probably be closer to 2 at most.

granted i was converting norse and you talking about other christian sects.

[Lord Lurk]

Originally posted by mitchincredible:

It seems to be the most common heresay when you're playing in that area. I wonder what the requirements are for it to spawn compared to other heresies.

It's based on historical representation, it's just the balance in CK3 isn't the best yet so it just overwhelmingly spreads without much effort.

In my current game, somehow Coptic has taken over most of Europe *shrug*.

[mitchincredible]

Originally posted by Lord Lurk:

Originally posted by mitchincredible:

It seems to be the most common heresay when you're playing in that area. I wonder what the requirements are for it to spawn compared to other heresies.

It's based on historical representation, it's just the balance in CK3 isn't the best yet so it just overwhelmingly spreads without much effort.

In my current game, somehow Coptic has taken over most of Europe *shrug*.

Is coptic any better in CKIII? I did play as insular, it seems more roleplay.

[Heraclius Caesar]

i see, wow thats crazy. some little backwater in ireland converting more than half the lords of europe doesn't seem right nor remotely plausible. the strange thing is it seemed to have started happening to my german vassals and then spread to the italians and now most of the french. i didn't even realize how bad it was until i had married 2 daughters to the same duke, wondered how that was possible, and saw he and most of his pals had turned insular

[Lord Lurk]

Originally posted by mitchincredible:

Originally posted by Lord Lurk:

It's based on historical representation, it's just the balance in CK3 isn't the best yet so it just overwhelmingly spreads without much effort.

In my current game, somehow Coptic has taken over most of Europe *shrug*.

Is coptic any better in CKIII? I did play as insular, it seems more roleplay.

I haven't tried it yet myself, as Insular is pretty much almost the perfect religion for my Dynasty spreading playstyle so far...I currently have 7 dynasty members as independent kings going for that 10 for that special dynasty choice modifier lol.

[Lord Lurk]

Originally posted by Heraclius Caesar:

i see, wow thats crazy. some little backwater in ireland converting more than half the lords of europe doesn't seem right nor remotely plausible. the strange thing is it seemed to have started happening to my german vassals and then spread to the italians and now most of the french. i didn't even realize how bad it was until i had married 2 daughters to the same duke, wondered how that was possible, and saw he and most of his pals had turned insular

I believe it's because Insular has that tenet that makes other catholic religions fall back to it, so when it's bordering other realms and whatever crazy RNG CK3 has for faith converting seems to be a really low bar for it.

I should also point out that when it gets *massive* like Catholic religon does, it starts fracturing just the same.

[Heraclius Caesar]

is there any benefits to converting to insular?

[Lord Lurk]

Originally posted by Heraclius Caesar:

is there any benefits to converting to insular?

You get to have 4 wives, which means you alone get to always look for 4 alliances, or increase the insane amount of children you'll have for the breeding simulation, or for expanding your Dynasty member count rapidly.

It allows for extreme flexibility, especially later on with heir designation. You can set aside 2 wives as alliance wives, then use the 2 other ones for passing down specific traits, etc.

[Heraclius Caesar]

interesting. does it mess up relations with the pope or make it so you can't go on crusade or anything like that?

[Lord Lurk]

You lose any interaction with the pope, it creates a by-ruler-court basis for a Head of Faith, kinda like the of pope but without his powers. It is considered a heresy religion afterall.

[Heraclius Caesar]

thats a shame, i like being able to pump the pope for gold as often as possible

[Lord Lurk]

Originally posted by Heraclius Caesar:

thats a shame, i like being able to pump the pope for gold as often as possible

Yeah...I abused the hell out of it briefly in my first *learn all the new things* game.