Educating your Ward - Your Attributes

[Patient]

Is the education your ward receives based off of your base attributes, or your base + the buffs given to you by your spouse?

Many thanks

[EA Latium]

So far I have noticed that Attributes matter, when changing a child's Education focus to something your character is good at you get an event saying that is something great, also sometimes there are pop ups saying that the chances for a better education are higher thanks to x from your Spouse.

[Nellvan]

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For the Guardian... How does that help?

I haven't tried it yet, but IIRC they give higher chances for a better Education.

There's a message you can get about the ward getting a higher chance for a better education (higher trait level, I guess) , though now I can't remember exactly wether it explicitly mentioned the guardian's learning, or something more vague.

I *think* it's learning, cause that happend a lot when I had my wife be guardian, who also was court physician due to her high learning.

İlk olarak Patient Ember tarafından gönderildi:

I don't think gregarious is one of the traits that effects education; basically what I'm getting is you try to match the 1) childhood trait (bossy, charming...) with an education focus (the little button on the portrait of your ward) that hopefully 2) also matches the education trait of the guardian.

If the guardian is not the player character, I'm assuming the npc guardian just selects the education focus that matches best.

Edit: jpinard ignore this, jfoytek's knows what they're talking about

No this is correct, it's the childhood traits that have 2 aligned and 1 opposed education focus. Except: The child gets a random aligned education focus when it turn 6 years old, then the button on the char sheet appears. You can then change that once so double-check ;) In that screen there's again shown what matches and what doesn't.

[EA Latium]

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There's a message you can get about the ward getting a higher chance for a better education (higher trait level, I guess) , though now I can't remember exactly wether it explicitly mentioned the guardian's learning, or something more vague.

I *think* it's learning, cause that happend a lot when I had my wife be guardian, who also was court physician due to her high learning.

Now that you mention it I think it's learning indeed.

[Simon]

The children do not get a random aligned education focus at 6 years old. One of the two education traits is always picked as the education focus.

At 3 years old the child develops that education trait which appears to be based on the two highest skill attributes of their guardian on the child's third birthday. This is certainly what happens in a very high percentage of the testing I've done.

This happens exactly on their third birthday and none of the preceding three years matter.

This means you can push the child into an education focus you want by changing the guardian right before their third birthday.

After that assign them to the guardian you want and remember to check their education focus after their sixth birthday as it only has a 50/50 shot of matching the guardians skill that you chose.

[Nellvan]

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The children do not get a random aligned education focus at 6 years old. One of the two education traits is always picked as the education focus.

Yeah that's what I meant, it's one of the two, but which one is random, as far as I know.

[Nellvan]

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At 3 years old the child develops that education trait which appears to be based on the two highest skill attributes of their guardian on the child's third birthday.

Not sure about this one, I'm currently looking at my family situation after a succession:

Two kids with the same guardian, and they do both have "pensive" (Stewardship / Learning).
Guardian's stats :
Diplomacy 6
Martial 3
Stewardship 4
Intrigue 10
Learning 2

Might also just all over the place due to changes along the way, since this all came to pass under AI control.

Another thing I just rememberd, guardian's spouse is supposed to contribute as well, similar to player's spouse on the council. The guardian in this example isn't married though, and never was.

So uhm yeah well I think for now I'll go with high learning and / or everything else aligned somewhere in the general direction of what I want.

[Crim]

Note, the Educators Trait and Learning is what makes the biggest difference
(oh and the child having a suitable education)

EDIT
Typed this response fast and typed technically wrong info, meant to say
Educator Matching Attribute and Learning makes the biggest difference

[Crim]

İlk olarak CrUsHeR tarafından gönderildi:

The attribute numbers are not important.

The education focus needs to match the child's personality, which increases the chance of obtaining a high grade educational trait. Every personality has 2 matching traits and 1 opposed trait, which is noted in the focus selection.

Also the grade of the guardian's education trait increases the above.

However it is still a random outcome. Last night i inherited with a 0 year old son, instantly made my spymaster my guardian (iirc lvl 4 schemer with 43 intrigue). Still ended up with as amateurish plotter (lvl 1) with 12 intrigue.


The other thing are the personality traits of the guardian. IMHO these are even more important than the education, because these set the frame of what your character can and can't do.

Nice to start with a lvl 4 education, but if the character is a craven, gluttonous, greedy lunatic, you probably don't want to play him.

Post your save as a bug report in the official CK3 forums
an Educator with 43 Intrigue teaching suitable personality should never result in a 1 education

[zacharyb]

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İlk olarak CrUsHeR tarafından gönderildi:

The attribute numbers are not important.

The education focus needs to match the child's personality, which increases the chance of obtaining a high grade educational trait. Every personality has 2 matching traits and 1 opposed trait, which is noted in the focus selection.

Also the grade of the guardian's education trait increases the above.

However it is still a random outcome. Last night i inherited with a 0 year old son, instantly made my spymaster my guardian (iirc lvl 4 schemer with 43 intrigue). Still ended up with as amateurish plotter (lvl 1) with 12 intrigue.


The other thing are the personality traits of the guardian. IMHO these are even more important than the education, because these set the frame of what your character can and can't do.

Nice to start with a lvl 4 education, but if the character is a craven, gluttonous, greedy lunatic, you probably don't want to play him.

Post your save as a bug report in the official CK3 forums
an Educator with 43 Intrigue teaching suitable personality should never result in a 1 education

Unless you started teaching them like a year before they reached adulthood.

[EA Latium]

İlk olarak Talamare tarafından gönderildi:

Note, the Educators Trait and Learning is what makes the biggest difference
(oh and the child having a suitable education)

The Attributes definitely matter as well, as I said earlier I got different events without choices when changing Focuses to something the character was good at, in the last instance it wasn't even related to his Education.

[Team Triss]

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Note, the Educators Trait and Learning is what makes the biggest difference
(oh and the child having a suitable education)

The Attributes definitely matter as well, as I said earlier I got different events without choices when changing Focuses to something the character was good at, in the last instance it wasn't even related to his Education.

Yes, from the in-game encyclopedia I'm certain it should be based on attribute and NOT education trait.

[BoydofZINJ]

Learning has the potential to grant ability points. The higher the learning the more skill point potential the kids have to learn them.

There are perks on the skill tree to grant 1 to 3 points to a kid. Then you can take perks in the skill tree to grant 1 to 3 points to your ward and potentially make them your friend. So... if you are smart,you get a really high learning ruler and get the skill point to get the random +1to3 points to your kid and then take the skill to ward them to give them an extra 1 to 3 points... and somewhere on the skill tree you get skills that can increase the rulers attributes (20% of the council's attributes or +1 for every level of devotion or something [going from memory here]) and then you can groom them yourself and hopefully you can also pick out the RNG events to groom your kid nearly perfectly... minus RNG

[EA Latium]

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Yes, from the in-game encyclopedia I'm certain it should be based on attribute and NOT education trait.

Blimey, I keep forgetting that the encyclopedia exists, thanks!

[Gorgeous_Joe]

Tutor should have in this order priority

Education skill
Desired skill (Martial,Diplomacy etc)
Traits of tutor
Pedagogy -Learning Tree
Groomed to rule - Diplomacy Tree (retroactive too)

also better tutoring in Dynasty tree helps and your wife can boost the learning too assuming she is talented enough

Ultimately its still influenced RNG rather than an actual science you can tailor and tinker with.

[Crim]

İlk olarak Gorgeous_Joe tarafından gönderildi:

Tutor should have in this order priority

Education skill
Desired skill (Martial,Diplomacy etc)
Traits of tutor
Pedagogy -Learning Tree
Groomed to rule - Diplomacy Tree (retroactive too)

also better tutoring in Dynasty tree helps and your wife can boost the learning too assuming she is talented enough

Ultimately its still influenced RNG rather than an actual science you can tailor and tinker with.

You forgot the most important one...

You

You can actually control the traits, throwing it at an NPC might end up with a slightly better education (really, +2~4 to a stat? who cares!) and may end up with a Shy, Paranoid, Lazy jerk who gets stressed at EVERYTHING