No Same Sex Marriage? Wtf?

[The Dungeons and Magic Show]

It seems to be impossible to engage in same sex marriages... there are no mods that do it. No Console Commands I've found work either?

Any suggestions?

[Ogami]

Its just not possible. While there are religions that tolerate same sex relationships, none has same sex marriage.
Also makes zero sense in the context of the game, its all about marrying the right person and making a lot of babies for the next generation.
You can still play a gay character and have same sex lovers and romances.

How would that work as a same sex married couple?

if they do a mod like that you would need to also introduce male pregnacy or female to female insemination and at that point you can just throw the whole historic scenario down the toilet and install a anime faces mod on top.

I am sure SOMEONE will make such a mod but still.

[Bordric]

Of course not.

[Oubley]

Originally posted by Ogami:

Its just not possible. While there are religions that tolerate same sex relationships, none has same sex marriage.
Also makes zero sense in the context of the game, its all about marrying the right person and making a lot of babies for the next generation.

How would that work as a same sex couple?

if they do a mod like that you would need to also introduce male pregnacy or female to female insemination and at that point you can just throw the whole historic scenario down the toilet and install a anime faces mod on top.

I am sure SOMEONE will make such a mod but still.

You can still play a gay character and have same sex lovers and romances.

not to get to political, but if it allows "relationship" you technically have "marriage" if the characters are marked as staying together in a modern context. From a medieval "marriage" context, which was also "arguably" more "contractual", ya, arguably wouldn't have it because it arguably wouldn't have been "recognized"

[Ogami]

Originally posted by Oubley:

not to get to political, but if it allows "relationship" you technically have "marriage" if the characters are marked as staying together in a modern context. From a medieval "marriage" context, which was also "arguably" more "contractual", ya, arguably wouldn't have it because it arguably wouldn't have been "recognized"

Sure, in this case in the game you can romance characters outside your marriage and have a relation with them, most of them secret.
So you can romance other gay/bi characters and have some romantic events and such but its still outside the marriage norms.
Depending on your religion it can even get you killed.

If you have one of the more tolerant religions its just seen as some side "fun" outside your marriage obligations that expect you to produce children.
Thats just the way it was at that time.
Now again, i am sure a mod will be able to introduce it but they would need to rewrite quiet a few gameplay systems to have it make sense in game context.

[Razorblade]

If I had to hazard a guess, Paradox didn't want to spend the time adding checks to all marriage events that deal with fertility to make sure you couldn't accidentally get your same-sex partner pregnant. Judging by the quality of a lot of events in CK3, it seems like the devs were on a quite tight schedule.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by Razorblade:

If I had to hazard a guess, Paradox didn't want to spend the time adding checks to all marriage events that deal with fertility to make sure you couldn't accidentally get your same-sex partner pregnant.

I doubt it. Lover relationships work exactly the same as marriages, when determining wether pregnancy happens or not. And that includes SS relationships (which apparently have the check working).

You can be a Messalian, which is basically a big orgy party because nothing is even shunned. Mother with son, daughter with random guy from the street, hey how y'all doing that is totally normal o_O

But the SS marriage is just nonsense in the historical context, because you cannot produce heirs.

[Maxagaze]

You are trolling, right?

[Commexo Kid]

lol wut?

[Oubley]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Originally posted by Razorblade:

If I had to hazard a guess, Paradox didn't want to spend the time adding checks to all marriage events that deal with fertility to make sure you couldn't accidentally get your same-sex partner pregnant.

I doubt it. Lover relationships work exactly the same as marriages, when determining wether pregnancy happens or not. And that includes SS relationships (which apparently have the check working).

You can be a Messalian, which is basically a big orgy party because nothing is even shunned. Mother with son, daughter with random guy from the street, hey how y'all doing that is totally normal o_O

But the SS marriage is just nonsense in the historical context, because you cannot produce heirs.

You're looking at it wrong. From his perspective, yes you can still have it , but yes you'd have to put extra code checks in.

Like same with chaste reductions or refusal to bed wife, out of wedlock marriages.

Relatioships don't work same as marriages. you can't have a relationship image with your relationship next to you, it's your wife.

Having kids doesn't have to do with "marriage" per say. That would be like saying every marriage on earth could only do x, y,z .... That's why I stated not to get to political, the definition of "marriage" varies, sometimes it's for love, sometimes it isn't. Sometiems it's to further line, sometimes it isn't.

Every variable, there has to be code. It's also sort of a hot topic still but not what it used to be.

So to some degree, yes, from a development standpoint, they probably didn't want to include every possible option, and were striving for something like "what does marriage mean in this game" type of context.

[Deggo]

Originally posted by Ogami:

How would that work as a same sex married couple?

if they do a mod like that you would need to also introduce male pregnacy or female to female insemination and at that point you can just throw the whole historic scenario down the toilet and install a anime faces mod on top.

I am sure SOMEONE will make such a mod but still.

Adoption. It's really not that complicated in the grand scheme of things.

Originally posted by Razorblade:

If I had to hazard a guess, Paradox didn't want to spend the time adding checks to all marriage events that deal with fertility to make sure you couldn't accidentally get your same-sex partner pregnant. Judging by the quality of a lot of events in CK3, it seems like the devs were on a quite tight schedule.

Shouldn't be much of a problem, considering there's is already "chance of children" implemented, with none as one possibility.

[Bordric]

Adoption seriously? At least in Western Europe you would be deposed, put in a dungeon if you were lucky.

[Ogami]

Originally posted by uDeggo:

Originally posted by Ogami:

How would that work as a same sex married couple?

if they do a mod like that you would need to also introduce male pregnacy or female to female insemination and at that point you can just throw the whole historic scenario down the toilet and install a anime faces mod on top.

I am sure SOMEONE will make such a mod but still.

Adoption. It's really not that complicated in the grand scheme of things.

Not of your bloodline then. Cant transfer traits over generations. One of the most important things in this game.
Nearly every medieval ruler was fixated on keeping their bloodline.
So i highly doubt they would "adopt" someone from outside of it.
That just does makes zero sense.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by uDeggo:

Adoption. It's really not that complicated in the grand scheme of things.

Yeah... adoption in a dynastic medieval simulator.

That's it, i'm out :)

[Deggo]

Originally posted by Bordric:

Adoption seriously? At least in Western Europe you would be deposed, put in a dungeon if you were lucky.

Who the ♥♥♥♥ cares? Currently, you can completely reform the religion if you want to and do your own stuff that did not happen at all in the past.

[Bordric]

Originally posted by uDeggo:

Originally posted by Bordric:

Adoption seriously? At least in Western Europe you would be deposed, put in a dungeon if you were lucky.

Who the ♥♥♥♥ cares? Currently, you can completely reform the religion if you want to and do your own stuff that did not happen at all in the past.

Then do that and stop complaining about it. Create your own church and be happy.