How to survive 867 Ireland?

[Barbelith]

Every time I try to form Ireland as a single county in 867 I get every Scandinavian nation with thousands of troops grabbing up single counties all over Britain. Is there some strategy to survive this that I'm just missing? The viking AI seems way too aggressive.

[Messsucher]

Oubley eredeti hozzászólása:

Talamare eredeti hozzászólása:

By 890, and it wasn't a single 18k stack, just all the 6~9 different stacks together added up to around 18k

ok, cool, it is possible to survive then. I was up to about 915 or so in my last Ireland campaign. Though my first time playing as Ulster, had a bunch of people declare war on me that amounted to about 10k so ya, know it's not always possible to avoid. If the omens are favorable, sometimes that stuff is avoidable though.

@Messucher Never seen a golden horde, not even in a total war game, never played that long and in CK II the longest played was probably about late 1200 or early 1300 and tend to play in britain, even in TW, so horde trouble be like if you started singing that lion king song "nobody knows the troubles i've been through, nobody knows my sorrows."

Troubles? Sorrows? Sorry, but I think you are now reflecting your issues on me. When things are hard, I have good times. When things are easy, I have bad, boring times.

[Messsucher]

Talamare eredeti hozzászólása:

Messsucher eredeti hozzászólása:

You haven't seen Golden Horde yet, have you?

It's all relative
If Sunset Invasion happens within 10 years of the game starting, well GG

Dislike really to do any showcases like this, but since your comment demands it so fittingly - I have no choise.

You cry about Vikings? FYI, there were Vikings in CK2. What there was not was CK3 cry babies.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1149654044


Felt sorry for them a bit later. All that effort wasted while being humiliated in Ireland.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1149647783

This is 827, so not quite after 10 years, but it makes no difference. And by the way Golden
Horde is Mongols, not Aztecs.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1149718893

You think you can be my emperor? What do you think if I would become your emperor, imho that would be more fitting. I happen to be the regent of Aztek empire anyway, (lul).

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1150272380


This is how it ended to be, after keeping Byzantine tens of years under my protection, fighting its wars, knowing one day it will all be mine.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1165795613


Was GG, you are right, though.

Edit: And naturally Ironman. Nothing else counts.

[CasualGerman]

Twitch.tv/Klinkie_ eredeti hozzászólása:

Every time I try to form Ireland as a single county in 867 I get every Scandinavian nation with thousands of troops grabbing up single counties all over Britain. Is there some strategy to survive this that I'm just missing? The viking AI seems way too aggressive.

Its not just 867. Tried the tutorial ireland in 1066 basically as soon as the tutorial ended the vikings took half of ireland with like 10k troops

[Crim]

Messsucher eredeti hozzászólása:

Talamare eredeti hozzászólása:

It's all relative
If Sunset Invasion happens within 10 years of the game starting, well GG

Dislike really to do any showcases like this, but since your comment demands it so fittingly - I have no choise.

You cry about Vikings? FYI, there were Vikings in CK2. What there was not was CK3 cry babies.

Felt sorry for them

Vikings were so weak and uncoordinated in CK2 that the real vikings were the friendships you made along the way...

err, I meant Aztecs, the real vikings were the Aztecs

[MeldinX2]

Best thing to do is let them take some stuff. Just bide your time. Build up what you do have and forge many strong alliences. And choose the right moment to declare war, like when they are busy with alot of other wars that they might be losing. I think the reason people are frustrated is because they want to become the king of Ireland very quickly and then you can't do that since you are blocked from taking the land you need.

[Messsucher]

Talamare eredeti hozzászólása:

Messsucher eredeti hozzászólása:

Dislike really to do any showcases like this, but since your comment demands it so fittingly - I have no choise.

You cry about Vikings? FYI, there were Vikings in CK2. What there was not was CK3 cry babies.

Felt sorry for them

Vikings were so weak and uncoordinated in CK2 that the real vikings were the friendships you made along the way...

err, I meant Aztecs, the real vikings were the Aztecs

Haha, yes, that's why I liked Sunset Invasion, it was a good prelude for Golden Horde, to shake things up and mess your game. Vikings though were hard if you had lunatic trait IRL and just raged in forums how this game sucks and everything is OP, I think.

[The Hat]

In CK3 High diplomacy is the key to any realm that might get attacked a lot. Border realms or small realms trying to grow. Focus on it even more than martial. Set the spouse to court politics and marry for Diplomacy instead of Intrigue. Martial is still very important obviously to defend or attack, but diplomacy has such a big impact on how often people plot or war you, its absolutely essential.

Currently for the ruler in the early game, i'd rate the stats.

Diplomacy > Martial > Stewardship > Intrigue > Learning > Prowess.

You can change this order if you are more stable to put martial first and gradually diplomacy drops off to be less important as you become bigger than your potential rivals or opponents. Intrigue obviously becomes even more important as you grow.

For the spouse I'd put it as Diplomacy > Intrigue > Stewardship > Martial > Learning > Prowess, so you can set them to diplomacy then move it to intrigue if you need a boost on a plot or stewardship for the economy in an emergency while at war if you are running low on money. The rest of the time keep the spouse on diplomacy and you'll get less hostile plots and less people declaring war on you.

Its really the best defensive stat for smaller realms in the game by far.

[Chucktheninja]

I formed ireland by getting a near perfect chance to abduct my target and then declare war the day before it fires. EZ wars

[gidro]

My first game went smoothly in Ireland. Well, compared to what some of you said. Either RNG or I did something right.

I would say, start agressive to have a duchy and 3/4 county asap, you don't want to be the small guy that gets picked on. After a while they calm down and if you survived that storm, then you can start on stealing back slowly what they took. I'm not saying i'd never had to surrender in a couple of wars and give away counties along the road when it's not worth fighting, but they have partition like us and they are an IA, we are supposed to manage that better than they do.

[Oubley]

Ango1eiro eredeti hozzászólása:

Just had a 20 hours "playthrough" with ireland minor. Managed to form kingdom of ireland with my first ruler. Didn't rely on alliences much, gameplay were basiaclly : raid, defend against raids,rise prestige, hire armies for prestige, take land from weak. Yearly on it is better to take military focus, because you have same army size as others and combat modifiers is everything that matters. My main complain is converting from tribal form - to feudal. When it happens you LOSE ALL TRIBAL BUILDINGS and your special forces start to use gold instead of prestige, while vassals doesn't pay you at all. With second feudal crown authority your vassals give you 2% or 5% from holdings without buildings (which is still basically nothing) . So your army fall from 6k to 1k in a second and game is basically over : you have no source of income (you can't raid anymore, vassals don't pay you, no buildings in your domain) so you can't afford army. Lost all my land (about 2 kingdoms in size) in 20 years or so to "tribal" countries who didn't adopt feudalism. Nice game.

Ck2 from what i remember was sort of the same way with their buildings. never understood why all of a sudden you'd just lose troops and buildings. Some troops i get, but the lost building stuff there probably should be better transitions.

don't you usually build a secondary location or build from what you have, so the old stuff disappearing never made a lot of sense to me building wise.

they probably should make vassal contracts its own seperate thing instead of tying everything so close to the seccession laws.

Like who rules next doesn't really change what your obligations are per say.