Ck3 Succession is restrictive and bad

[EM Tactics]

Good luck playing in 867 when it takes 200 years to get senority and 400 to get primogeniture,
enjoy gavelkind.

[Crim]

I do enjoy gavelkind

[domuka]

dont have the game yet, but wasnt that how CK2 was? just kill off every male except your chosen son!

[Bordric]

Not difficult to get around.

[galadon3]

Originally posted by domuka:

dont have the game yet, but wasnt that how CK2 was? just kill off every male except your chosen son!

in ck2 you could get rid of gavelkind rather quickly, but ck3 has no tech-system that deserves the name and primogeniture has an additional hard lock in that it needs a tech that flat out can't be discovered before the year 1200

[Markus Reese]

The unverified question I havent been able to test is, what happens if your son marries out of family to take wife's name. Does that preserve succession still? Some prince now in germanic lands ireland?

[Mikune Folf]

You can disinherit your heirs. Therefore you get instant primogeniture at the start of the game, you just have to pay renown for it and a massive relations hit with the disinherited person. There are so many ways to make sure you don't lose land from your realm. Don't make more than one high title, so if you're a duke - just have one duchy. If you're a king, one kingdom and so on. I waited until I was probably near death, tried not to have too many wives etc. and then disinherited the worst sons before I died so I could choose which heir I wanted.

[domuka]

Originally posted by galadon3:

in ck2 you could get rid of gavelkind rather quickly, but ck3 has no tech-system that deserves the name and primogeniture has an additional hard lock in that it needs a tech that flat out can't be discovered before the year 1200

I never ran with Primo. Seniority could get you rich in CK2, dynastic members liked you more, plus the war cool down was gone every succession. I used to paint the whole map my colors within 300 years due to Seniority. So long as thats still around, Seniority still beats primo and is what OP might wanna go for

[AeroEngine]

Originally posted by Mikune Folf:

You can disinherit your heirs. Therefore you get instant primogeniture at the start of the game, you just have to pay renown for it and a massive relations hit with the disinherited person. There are so many ways to make sure you don't lose land from your realm. Don't make more than one high title, so if you're a duke - just have one duchy. If you're a king, one kingdom and so on.

Yes, but sometimes with the viking inheritance law, the game creates the extra titles and gives them out. So except disinherting you don't have much choice there

[vexzi]

A yes, primogeniture the lazy mans succession, I get your frustration. But tech is not the only way to change succession laws, you can get elective tanistry very easily. Primogeniture isn't even that good..... just makes things easier to manage for people with less experience or people who aren't interested in managing that part of the game.

[Sudo]

you just don't know how to play with the gavelkind.

there are two ways that you can get around with it:

you can marry with only 1 woman and force your spare children to become knights so that they can die on the battlefield or you can marry with a woman who has 45+ age and make children by seducing your courtiers.

the second way is pretty smooth and it's a lot better than Primo.

[Sol]

I usually went the route of Norse Pagan Republics in CK2. I wish there were more succession options available earlier.

[Supply Slut]

I started as a viking count in 867 and realize I'm basically stuck with some form of gavelkind for at least 150 years, and thats if everything else goes right for me. Feels better TBH, after more than 1000 hours in CK2, as a viking, depending on age, I was usually able to unite the major norse lands, reform the religion, go feudal, and change law to almost whatever I wanted. I loved it, but now that I'm hitting major roadblocks in CK3, it feels right. The old way just felt gamey and easy by comparison. I'm struggling just to get to duchy title, and raiding is no longer the near risk free adventure it was. If you want to do the early viking empire with reformed faith and any succession, I'm sure its still possible with console commands, or if you wait a few weeks maybe a mod will come out to change this.

[EM Tactics]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go7arcWvwKY Here's a video on it

[EM Tactics]

Guy's what i'm saying here is that you have no choice, gavelkind is the only way and it just feels way too restrictive and puts your cultural development on rails

[EM Tactics]

Dude, the byzantine empire is Gavelkind ffs. It's wrong on so many levels