As a vassal count, how do i become a duke?

[EmuWarlord]

playing as the count of wien, i have all of the land i need to form a duchy but i can't because it would make me my lords equal, do i need to usurp an existing duchy? or can i somehow create/acquire a duke title without declaring independence?

[galadon3]

one of the stewardship perks (first one of the third tree I think) gives you an option to claim your lieges throne. (haven't tested it yet but should be waht you need)

[Mansen]

If your Liege is a duke, you can only become a duke by challenging them for their title or becoming independent (by force) and then either creating the title for your Duchy, or Usurp it, if it already exists.

[Dayve]

Fabricate claims inside the duchy until you hold the majority of land in that duchy. If it has 4 counties, you'll need to hold 3. At that point you should be able to usurp it somehow.

[EmuWarlord]

I see, so if i want to become a duke without leaving the kingdom i'm in (east francia) i need to usurp my current lord

[EmuWarlord]

the duchy i hold all of the land for has not been created yet, and in order to create it i need to already be a duke

[EmuWarlord]

its worth noting that my direct superior is not a duke but a prince that owns half of east francia

[Mansen]

Originally posted by EmuWarlord:

I see, so if i want to become a duke without leaving the kingdom i'm in (east francia) i need to usurp my current lord

Don't confuse things. A kingdom is a kingdom, a duchy is a duchy. If you have an actual king ruling you, creating a duchy inside of the kingdom should be entirely possible, and not prevented by a "you can't do that" prompt.

Originally posted by EmuWarlord:

the duchy i hold all of the land for has not been created yet, and in order to create it i need to already be a duke

No. Anyone who holds enough land to create a duchy can create it and become duke. Unless they're a vassal TO a duke. Because then you'd have a duke being a vassal to a duke which doesn't work. You'd have to become independent or have a kingdom/empire liege.

[EmuWarlord]

update, my king inherited the duchy i'm under which means i can now create the duchy of austria without becoming his equal, problem solved itself. C:

[EmuWarlord]

Originally posted by Mansen:

Originally posted by EmuWarlord:

I see, so if i want to become a duke without leaving the kingdom i'm in (east francia) i need to usurp my current lord

Don't confuse things. A kingdom is a kingdom, a duchy is a duchy. If you have an actual king ruling you, creating a duchy inside of the kingdom should be entirely possible, and not prevented by a "you can't do that" prompt.

Originally posted by EmuWarlord:

the duchy i hold all of the land for has not been created yet, and in order to create it i need to already be a duke

No. Anyone who holds enough land to create a duchy can create it and become duke. Unless they're a vassal TO a duke. Because then you'd have a duke being a vassal to a duke which doesn't work. You'd have to become independent or have a kingdom/empire liege.

I was the vassal to a duke who was the vassal to a king, thus i could not be a duke, my lord(the duke) died and the king inherited his lands, so now i am a count under a king and can become a duke

[Mansen]

Yes exactly - You can't be of equal title as your direct liege.
Gotta take their title and BECOME the duke. Or wait for your liege to be...well not YOUR liege. Having the king yoink their title works, because then you're the King's vassal, not the DUKE.