How to become house head

[killerbill0787]

How does one become house head? I have united the three kingdoms in iberia but my brother (whom i took galacia from ) Is the house head despite owning only one county. Does anyone know how to become house head so i can choose the dynasty perks?

[Jerubius]

I believe house head is a position held for life. So it's not until he dies that the game will replace him. Beyond that, I'm pretty sure you've done everything right.

[killerbill0787]

Originally posted by Jerubius:

I believe house head is a position held for life. So it's not until he dies that the game will replace him. Beyond that, I'm pretty sure you've done everything right.

well he actually did die and his daughter took hit titles and shes replaced him instead of me. I am not sure what decides who is the house head. I can apparently create a "cadet branch" But if i do i think i lose out on all the bonuses from the rest of the family.

[Shogun_Potatoe]

I believe you would need to either kill of your brothers entire line or form a cadet branch which will allow you to compete for dynasty head whike being the head of your own house

[AoTxLoGiX]

Creating a cadet branch transfers the currently chosen legacy's from your starting branch.

[Dragster6681]

At the bottom of the House screen it shows the Head and there is some text, if I read it correctly it says the Head is based on who in the family controls the most counties of their culture.

[Night]

Originally posted by Dragster6681:

At the bottom of the House screen it shows the Head and there is some text, if I read it correctly it says the Head is based on who in the family controls the most counties of their culture.

that is the culture screen.
It actually does not specify to my knowledge what makes a dynast/house head.

I know once you get it it can't be taken from you but I believe it is inherited and not 'won' like cultural head is.

I don't know for sure htough. I've almost always been dynast.

[galadon3]

Its not inheritable in a house with several independently landed family branches (for clarification: not speaking of cadet houses just different branches of the family) wich are somewhat close in power to each other (so counts and dukes) it does move around between those branches.

[Dragster6681]

Originally posted by Night:

Originally posted by Dragster6681:

At the bottom of the House screen it shows the Head and there is some text, if I read it correctly it says the Head is based on who in the family controls the most counties of their culture.

that is the culture screen.
It actually does not specify to my knowledge what makes a dynast/house head.

I know once you get it it can't be taken from you but I believe it is inherited and not 'won' like cultural head is.

I don't know for sure htough. I've almost always been dynast.

You are correct, my mistake, I've been playing as though that was the way to become the Head. Still a lot of learning to do.

[Dragster6681]

Found this on the CK3 Wiki:

When a House Head dies its Primary Heir becomes the next House Head.

The most powerful House Head of a Dynasty (as determined by military strength) will always become the Dynasty Head upon the death of the current one. Dynasty Head ownership may take up to a year to update on succession.

[Night]

Originally posted by Dragster6681:

Found this on the CK3 Wiki:

When a House Head dies its Primary Heir becomes the next House Head.

The most powerful House Head of a Dynasty (as determined by military strength) will always become the Dynasty Head upon the death of the current one. Dynasty Head ownership may take up to a year to update on succession.

Ah I see so it's military strength.
That makes a lot of sense because the few times I didn't have it I had just went through massive succession problems and gave away many levies in feudal contracts.

[Crim]

It's biggest Military, its not held for life, but it is randomly checked every few years

Also, I believe its based on MAX Military, not current Military

[CelestialSlayer]

so house head mixed with elective succession means you will lose house head at some point and struggle to get it back, that seems like a pretty big flaw.

[glennymosash]

Unsure if this post is still active but it still tops the searches in regard to the topic of Dynasty Head, House Head, and Cultural Head.

To recap and clarify all the posts...

Firstly, the designation of House Head follows the linear path of the current House Head's primary title. If they started as a King and were later reduced to a small time Duke or even just a lowly Count they will STILL BE THE HOUSE HEAD. The game simply determines that their NEW primary title (the highest tier title they currently hold) is the path that the House Head follows - not the old Kingdom or Dutchy title that they started out with (unless of course they gain it back). The only way to make the House Head designation change hands is to literally murder or kill off the line and inherit their titles for yourself OR force the titles into a different branch of the dynasty or a totally different dynasty all together.

Once that line is killed off or they no longer hold any titles of any kind then if you were simply a one county Count of that branch you would then become the new House Head because you at least hold ONE title of Count - which is the minimum requirement to be the House Head.

Secondly, the designation of Dynasty Head is determined from among the most powerful of current House Heads when the current Dynasty Head dies. Most powerful i.e. "maximum military strength" is from each House Heads personally held domain holdings. Maximum military strength DOES NOT include the total military might of vassals in the realm or alliances. It ONLY includes your levies - NOT your regiments oddly enough. To see this value simply open up your Realm tab (F2) and locate the value at the bottom - it should be annotated as "From Domain Levies" and "From Vassal Levies". The only way the Dynasty Head changes when the current one is still living is if another House Head has a military strength at least 10% greater than the current Dynasty Head and is checked yearly. Waging war or having your army get completely wiped will not cause the Dynasty Head to change as it's based on POTENTIAL. When you pull up your dynasty info and click on "Houses" it will show the current House Heads' "Maximum Military Strength".

Lastly, the designation of Cultural Head is determined by who controls the most counties with their culture. It has nothing to actually do with titles (unless there is a tiebreaker needed in a few scenarios). You could hold a 4 county Dutchy all of your culture and be a vassal of a King of a different culture - all while there existing like 12 other counties with your culture elsewhere but with other rulers that hold less than 4 counties. You would be designated as that culture's Cultural Head. Note that the game checks every few days so the effects are almost immediate compared to Dynasty Head or House Head. Also, in the event there is another Duke/Duchess that holds the same number of counties with your culture the game determines that "He/She Who Was There First" remains as the Cultural Head. Even if they had a larger army it means nothing. The only way you could be surpassed is if that other Duke/Duchess became a King/Queen (still have to have the same amount of counties as you - both controlled directly and with their vassals' lands) OR if that other Duke/Duchess gains another county of the shared culture. Then the designation of Cultural Head would change to the other guy/gal. EZ PZ.

Hope all this helps someone looking for the same info. Cheers!

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by Crim:

It's biggest Military, its not held for life, but it is randomly checked every few years

Also, I believe its based on MAX Military, not current Military

The dynasty head, is for life, they have said this in their DevDiaries, but because they have a bug with military power calculation upon succession, they have changed it to temporary fix it.

[glennymosash]

Originally posted by Emperor2000:

Originally posted by Crim:

It's biggest Military, its not held for life, but it is randomly checked every few years

Also, I believe its based on MAX Military, not current Military

The dynasty head, is for life, they have said this in their DevDiaries, but because they have a bug with military power calculation upon succession, they have changed it to temporary fix it.

The wiki states the metric for when the Dynasty Head will change when not the result of the current holder's death. I will look into the game files to triple check but I am pretty sure from looking at them before that the verbiage is in the files - unless they made the change with a recent patch and the wiki never updated? Which DevDiary was this covered? I may have missed it. Thanks for the heads up! Just want to ensure others have the most accurate info on the top search posts/forums.

Side Note - other than death or the 10% maximum military power check the game treats the creation of a new branch as an immediate check on the Dynasty Head - usually resolved in less than 30 days in game. I have tested this repeatedly on 1.7.2.