Dynasty head should go to the heir of the primary title of the current dynasty head, not to the oldest son

[WolfWhiteFire]

As the title says, I disagree with how dynasty head seems to pass on. Currently, it seems like it passes along to the eldest son of the current dynasty head, and nothing else. In my case, I was the dynasty head for a few generations and my first son happened to be my heir those times, then I ended up electing a grandson as my next heir, through the feudal election succession law.

Turns out, regardless of your succession type, dynasty head will go to the eldest son, even if they inherit no land whatsoever and are completely landless and powerless. That means unless you have a succession law that picks the oldest son as your heir, you will lose the dynasty head title with each generation, and that just seems odd to me.

It feels pretty arbitrary, as emperors could be forced to consider some random unlanded guy the head of their dynasty with no way of seizing that title for themselves, the dynasty head apparently has no say on who the next dynasty head is, and the dynasty head succession is pretty much forced male-preference primogeniture regardless of the laws of the head's empire, religion, or literally anything else.

As-is, the entire dynasty could follow a religion that enforces a matriarchy, and it seems like the game would likely still consider the eldest son to be the head, though I haven't tested hat yet.

Honestly, I feel the best option for dynasty head would be that it follows the primary title succession of the head, but can be usurped through a decision or scheme if another dynasty member has vastly more power and/or prestige. That feels less arbitrary than this, and would prevent some odd situations that the current set-up could cause.

The current system of a landless man being able to be the head of a dynasty of emperors, with succession pretty much being forced primogeniture, just feels weird to me.

[Fastmine[NOR]]

I had the exact problems you describe here.
My dynasty head was a powerful king, I stole all his titles and holdings, turned him in to a wandering vagabond. Yet somehow this hobo remains the dynasty head, and he even denounces me so I recieve a -15 opinion penalty with ALL dynasty memebers....

[WolfWhiteFire]

Originally posted by FastmineNOR:

I had the exact problems you describe here.
My dynasty head was a powerful king, I stole all his titles and holdings, turned him in to a wandering vagabond. Yet somehow this hobo remains the dynasty head, and he even denounces me so I recieve a -15 opinion penalty with ALL dynasty memebers....:mortis:

Not exactly the same, my character was the dynasty head in this case, just for some reason the head status apparently goes to eldest son even if that character is not the heir of the dynasty head.

[The Former]

Dynasties don't have primary titles. I believe dynasty succession is handled differently. It's decided based on "the most powerful House Head of a Dynasty, with leadership being updated on the death of the old Dynasty Head", according to the dev diary.

[Mansen]

Dynasty and House leadership is based on the total army size of everyone in the house who is alive (According to Paradox)

So... normally you will be the leader. Unless you have a uncle or something who has a larger kingdom.

[WolfWhiteFire]

Originally posted by World's Coolest Old Guy:

Dynasties don't have primary titles. I believe dynasty succession is handled differently. It's decided based on "the most powerful House Head of a Dynasty, with leadership being updated on the death of the old Dynasty Head", according to the dev diary.

Then I found a bug in that case, it went to a landless, powerless son instead of the heir that inherited the kingdom and who was the only dynasty member with any real power. Should have been the house head too, since he was the heir.

[WolfWhiteFire]

Originally posted by Mansen:

Dynasty and House leadership is based on the total army size of everyone in the house who is alive (According to Paradox)

So... normally you will be the leader. Unless you have a uncle or something who has a larger kingdom.

Apparently feudal election succession type bugs it out then, it went to a landless, powerless eldest son of the dynasty head instead of the dynasty head's heir who inherited the kingdom and was the strongest dynasty member.

[op_force]

Same problem here, while the strongest house head will become dynasty head, house head succession always goes to the oldest son(meaning if you only have one house the dynasty head will only ever go to the oldest son since there are no other house heads to pick from), which blows if anyone other than your oldest son is the heir to your primary title.

Much as you say house head really should follow the primary title instead of a blank "oldest son" with absolutely no way of changing the succession of it. Hopefully this is just an oversight by the devs and will be fixed quickly.