Preventing Title Loss

[Slslookout]

I fell like this is always the issue I am facing in CK3. When my king dies, how do I prevent loosing every territory I have spent time building up to my various sons. Is there a way before death, or after death to make sure my main heir gets all of the land?

[Team Triss]

Before you can research the proper succession laws, you can either kill off your excess children or start giving them titles beforehand.

[Shad]

^what above said.

Blobbing is now much harder as good inheritance laws are locked away until late-game.You have to carefully manage the what each son owns. For example, giving them away fresh conquests, so they already have titles and don't inherit stuff in your capital duchy.

[renegadecause]

Originally posted by Shad:

^what above said.

Blobbing is now much harder as good inheritance laws are locked away until late-game.You have to carefully manage the what each son owns. For example, giving them away fresh conquests, so they already have titles and don't inherit stuff in your capital duchy.

While frustrating, I do like this approach better. Means you have to scheme the crap out of everyone.

[Team Triss]

Originally posted by cmr86:

Originally posted by Shad:

^what above said.

Blobbing is now much harder as good inheritance laws are locked away until late-game.You have to carefully manage the what each son owns. For example, giving them away fresh conquests, so they already have titles and don't inherit stuff in your capital duchy.

While frustrating, I do like this approach better. Means you have to scheme the crap out of everyone.

Tell me about it. Three generations into a united Ireland, and my oldest son becomes King, but loses 90% of his power because his twin brothers became the dukes of basically everything.

Dropped from almost 5k levies to like 1700, I'm guessing because they're no longer mine directly and now just provided by vassals.

[Dayve]

Have only one type of your highest title. If you highest title is a county and you have multiple of them then yeah, you're going to lose them in the succession. However, if your highest title is a duchy, make sure you only have one duchy title. Your counties will still be divided among your children but at least your main heir will still be the top liege and the other children will be his vassals, so your realm stays together even if your personal titles don't. Same goes if you're a king - make sure you only have one kingdom title and your realm stays together.

It's more realistic/challenging/fun this way. In CK2 it was way too easy to simply dismiss the historical reality of messy successions.

[Slslookout]

Originally posted by Shad:

^what above said.

Blobbing is now much harder as good inheritance laws are locked away until late-game.You have to carefully manage the what each son owns. For example, giving them away fresh conquests, so they already have titles and don't inherit stuff in your capital duchy.

So my sons both owned land, but the rest was still split. If I want me heir to get all my land, I should give land to all but my heir so when I die, he gets what is left?

[Dayve]

Originally posted by Slslookout:

Originally posted by Shad:

^what above said.

Blobbing is now much harder as good inheritance laws are locked away until late-game.You have to carefully manage the what each son owns. For example, giving them away fresh conquests, so they already have titles and don't inherit stuff in your capital duchy.

So my sons both owned land, but the rest was still split. If I want me heir to get all my land, I should give land to all but my heir so when I die, he gets what is left?

You should probably just accept and get used to it. This is how the medieval world was. The oldest child would get the highest title and the royal capital and everything else is divided equally among the male children, excluding those who become priests/bishops or are disinherited for some other reason (like if they're blind, castrated or whatever).

The children would usually then go to war with one another and murder one another.

Welcome to the life of medieval rulers.

[Killinspecialist]

historically tho most of western europe had primogeniture by 1066 and the ERE had it since the begining its such bs

[Dayve]

Originally posted by 8e Killinspecialist:

historically tho most of western europe had primogeniture by 1066 and the ERE had it since the begining its such bs

The majority of western Europe did not have primogeniture by 1066...

[Uri]

just disinherit all your children.
Or there is one life skill where you can become single. This will drop your fertility to 0%.
So pop an heir and then get single for life.

[bri]

Originally posted by Slslookout:

Originally posted by Shad:

^what above said.

Blobbing is now much harder as good inheritance laws are locked away until late-game.You have to carefully manage the what each son owns. For example, giving them away fresh conquests, so they already have titles and don't inherit stuff in your capital duchy.

So my sons both owned land, but the rest was still split. If I want me heir to get all my land, I should give land to all but my heir so when I die, he gets what is left?

Pretty much, yes. Keep the stuff in the de jure capital area and give every non-primary heir something, and never, ever, have multiple top tier titles (and with the confederate partition don't even have the potential to create a second top-tier title as it will do it for you on death).

[Killinspecialist]

Originally posted by Dayve:

Originally posted by 8e Killinspecialist:

historically tho most of western europe had primogeniture by 1066 and the ERE had it since the begining its such bs

The majority of western Europe did not have primogeniture by 1066...

um yea they did it was introduced by the normans and to a lesser extent the rest of the norse since it started as a norse thing and overtime everyone copied it also what stops me from having a favorite heir and making sure he gets all or most of the titles if i have high enough crown authority if the other kids dont like it they can suck it

[Killinspecialist]

and besides the ERE had primogeniture since forever and hella high crown authority but rn they have the same barbarian laws as everyone else

[Dayve]

Originally posted by 8e Killinspecialist:

Originally posted by Dayve:

The majority of western Europe did not have primogeniture by 1066...

um yea they did it was introduced by the normans and to a lesser extent the rest of the norse since it started as a norse thing and overtime everyone copied it also what stops me from having a favorite heir and making sure he gets all or most of the titles if i have high enough crown authority if the other kids dont like it they can suck it

When William the Conqueror died his lands were divided between his sons (except for the youngest son who got 30,000 pieces of silver). The Normans literally had gavelkind.

Also you can "upgrade" to a better form of gavelkind as time goes on, where your main heir gets most of the land and your spares just get like one county each or something. Check the succession law tab, you'll see them.

[Killinspecialist]

Originally posted by Dayve:

Originally posted by 8e Killinspecialist:

um yea they did it was introduced by the normans and to a lesser extent the rest of the norse since it started as a norse thing and overtime everyone copied it also what stops me from having a favorite heir and making sure he gets all or most of the titles if i have high enough crown authority if the other kids dont like it they can suck it

When William the Conqueror died his lands were divided between his sons (except for the youngest son who got 30,000 pieces of silver). The Normans literally had gavelkind.

Also you can "upgrade" to a better form of gavelkind as time goes on, where your main heir gets most of the land and your spares just get like one county each or something. Check the succession law tab, you'll see them.

that particular example was because alot of his kids already had land but if it wasnt for primogeniture then you wouldnt have the normans in sicily bc thats why they left their homeland ofc later some did go back to gavelkind it was more managable than before and they would later reimplement it especially after the first few crusades