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Iriath Zhul Oct 5, 2020 @ 7:29am
Forced Vassalization
I can't figure out how "Forced Vassalization" differs from "Subjugate" except that the Prestige cost is higher??? What did I miss?
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Originally posted by Xef:
Forced vassalization is great especially for those rulers who have a bunch of counties all over the place. Also gets better over time as you unlock the innovations that increase the county amount.

Edit: Isn't subjugation once in a lifetime? I don't think anyone mentioned that.
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CrUsHeR Oct 5, 2020 @ 7:37am 
https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Casus_belli

These have completely different requirements, conditions and outcomes.
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Admod, the Equivocal Oct 5, 2020 @ 7:51am 
Without looking anything up I think forced vassalization can only be used against people with titles lower than yours. Subjugate can be used against anyone and you take away all their titles that prevent them from being your vassal.

Edit: After looking things up I think forced vassalization also has several issues with the target has to be independent. Also needs to own less than a certain amount of counties to be used. Overall, subjugate is simply much better than forced vassalization.
Last edited by Admod, the Equivocal; Oct 5, 2020 @ 7:54am
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Iriath Zhul Oct 5, 2020 @ 9:57am 
Originally posted by Admod, the Equivocal:
Without looking anything up I think forced vassalization can only be used against people with titles lower than yours. Subjugate can be used against anyone and you take away all their titles that prevent them from being your vassal.

Edit: After looking things up I think forced vassalization also has several issues with the target has to be independent. Also needs to own less than a certain amount of counties to be used. Overall, subjugate is simply much better than forced vassalization.
So "Forced Vassalization" is nearly worthless. Got it.
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Aurian Oct 5, 2020 @ 10:01am 
Originally posted by Iriath Zhul:
So "Forced Vassalization" is nearly worthless. Got it.

I like it when I don't have access to subjugate, which is most of the time.
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Kaelus Von Sestiaf Oct 5, 2020 @ 11:33am 
Originally posted by Iriath Zhul:
So "Forced Vassalization" is nearly worthless. Got it.
That's rich.

Like Aurian said, most of the time you don't -have- access to the Subjugate casus belli. Forced Vassalization is an amazing tool for quickly expanding your realm's territory without the need for a proper Casus Belli, which means it's incredibly useful for basically all Feudal rulers.

My realm went from 280 counties to 400 in one generation thanks to that thing, as a feudal cathar. It's insane.
Last edited by Kaelus Von Sestiaf; Oct 5, 2020 @ 11:33am
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Xef Oct 5, 2020 @ 11:38am 
Forced vassalization is great especially for those rulers who have a bunch of counties all over the place. Also gets better over time as you unlock the innovations that increase the county amount.

Edit: Isn't subjugation once in a lifetime? I don't think anyone mentioned that.
Last edited by Xef; Oct 5, 2020 @ 11:40am
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Iriath Zhul Oct 5, 2020 @ 12:37pm 
Originally posted by Xef:
Forced vassalization is great especially for those rulers who have a bunch of counties all over the place. Also gets better over time as you unlock the innovations that increase the county amount.

Edit: Isn't subjugation once in a lifetime? I don't think anyone mentioned that.
Ahhhh then that is the difference. That makes much more sense.
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