Incest over done a bit?

[Judas]

I know in some very early civilisations like the Egyptians it was common among the elite and some religions like zoroastrianism used to believe in 'pure blood' but surely it wasnt this prevalent during the middle ages. Seems to me the Hapsburgs gave the middle ages a bad rep

[Gestum]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Originally posted by Gestum:

You certainly can, with the "right" religion. In my first game, I created a religion where it was no problem for rulers to marry their siblings.

Marriage and seduction are separate.

Example i started in Vestisland and tried to do the achievement where all your grandparents need to be the same.

With adamitism and everything from the seduction focus, your close kin still have the option to reject due to being family. I guess they need certain traits like lustful or arbitrary to agree, haven't checked.

All the offspring after the second gen in that game were inbreds, so i won't try that again.

Yes, of course they're separate. But why go the seduction route if you also can choose "Unrestricted Marriage" in your reformed/new religion? In my experience, it made marriage between close family members really easy.

[BrowneHawk]

Dude, in Iceland, current time, they have an app so people can avoid incest. Maybe you could utilize google and actually do some history research. Incest is much more widespread than you think.

[angel of derp]

About 120 hours so far... I've had 1 incident where my character's daughter tried to seduce him (I think it was my Lithuanian game).

In my current game (Duchy of Toulouse), Messalianism has a foothold in one of the counties in my domain. (The heresy first came up in Portucale.) Since Catholicism has perpetually low Fervor (like, it takes seconds for the Umayyads to convert Spain, but decades for Catholics to convert Muslims bath to Catholicism. LOL, Catholic bias), there are heresies all over Frankia.

Anyway, I was wondering what this heresy was about... Divine Marriage (incest = okay!), Lustful is a virtue, adultery permitted. LOL, okay. So if the Catholic rulers want incest heavy games, look for the Messalianist heresy.

[GrimReaper0004]

I created a religion thinking "how better to expand my dynasty than with consorts & concubines"... huge mistake. No joke, EVERY SINGLE member of my family is making their children their consort when they turn 16. Almost every grandchild I have is my "grandchild and great-grandchild" because of this. I assume this is only happening because their are so few downsides once you have the buffs that make bad traits (like incest) much less likely.

[LzDK14]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

You basically can't seduce close relatives, and certainly not marry them. Even with the lifestyle trait to supposedly remove the incest penalty, close relatives with a sane mind will almost always refuse seduction - even if your religion allows incest marriage

Yes you can. Both. Depends on your religion's view on consanquinity. Unrestricted marrige will allow you f-k you son(dughter) and marry him(her).

[LzDK14]

Originally posted by ⚜:

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Generally my long-term experience is that incest is extremely rare among NPCs as well..

Not if you have like 500 family members before 1066.

https://imgur.com/DDUPVsE
Year - 1142, 4127 living dynasty members (was much more than 500 at 1066). Inbred freaks? Zero.
https://imgur.com/2vOzrKg
I had an outside inbred marring into family and passing it to her children. Well, sometimes you have to prune that dynasty tree a bit...
Use religion to limit consanquinity to closekin taboo. That somewhat prevents incestous relations and forbids close and extended family marriges (by default you can marry cousins)

[Illusion17]

Lol I've been exclusively marrying in my dynasty during my current game. For one I'm playing the Habsburgs, but the main reason is that my dynasty seems to have a monopoly on the genius trait XD.

[T-Murdah]

Originally posted by Meowbeast:

Originally posted by pmumberson:

I know in some very early civilisations like the Egyptians it was common among the elite and some religions like zoroastrianism used to believe in 'pure blood' but surely it wasnt this prevalent during the middle ages. Seems to me the Hapsburgs gave the middle ages a bad rep

Incest is common enough in America for there to be billboards telling people to knock it off. "She's your daughter, not your date." If anything, it's underreported. CK3 is so woke.

It's still a thing in more isolated and sparsely populated regions of the world and mostly in clan based cultures.

Cousin marriages are still very common in certain parts of the world, if not the norm in a few countries like fex Pakistan where it has become a health problem (In 2018 it was found in Norway that 48%(!) of the population of Pakistani heritage had parents that are cousins. 0,2% for native Norwegian population).

[Lovecraft's Cat]

Linebreeding is an art and it's used very successfully in dogbreeding. The goal is to get desirable traits, same as in CK3. Honestly, there's no reason it shouldn't be used in humans.

[Illusion17]

Originally posted by Scyth:

Linebreeding is an art and it's used very successfully in dogbreeding. The goal is to get desirable traits, same as in CK3. Honestly, there's no reason it shouldn't be used in humans.

The English bulldog and Pug both care to disagree

[Lovecraft's Cat]

Originally posted by illusion goddian:

Originally posted by Scyth:

Linebreeding is an art and it's used very successfully in dogbreeding. The goal is to get desirable traits, same as in CK3. Honestly, there's no reason it shouldn't be used in humans.

The English bulldog and Pug both care to disagree

No, they willfully used unhealthy traits for these breeds, has nothing to do with the art of linebreeding.

[meowbeast]

Originally posted by Scyth:

Linebreeding is an art and it's used very successfully in dogbreeding. The goal is to get desirable traits, same as in CK3. Honestly, there's no reason it shouldn't be used in humans.

This thread was a mistake.

[SkiRich]

Originally posted by Scyth:

Linebreeding is an art and it's used very successfully in dogbreeding. The goal is to get desirable traits, same as in CK3. Honestly, there's no reason it shouldn't be used in humans.

In three sentences inbreeding was rebranded with a less nefarious name, exulted, justified and suggested for humans.

Thats some next level orwelian thinkspeak right there.

[The Former]

Originally posted by Meowbeast:

Originally posted by Scyth:

Linebreeding is an art and it's used very successfully in dogbreeding. The goal is to get desirable traits, same as in CK3. Honestly, there's no reason it shouldn't be used in humans.

This thread was a mistake.

It does seem to be going that route, doesn't it?

[SkiRich]

Originally posted by Knight-Errant:

Originally posted by Meowbeast:

This thread was a mistake.

It does seem to be going that route, doesn't it?

CK forums are the only place you can get freaky on Steam as long as its a game mechanic.