Changing Culture

[Sheldon666]

I Play as King of Novgorod. I can change the culture to russian. Is it worth the cost in early game? What risks / benefits do I get from this?

[JuX]

Haven't played in that region but some cultures have unique units or technology and id assume for Russians it's Hussars cavalry. Culture conversions are best done early game since some decision conversions sets your technology back to the stone age.

You might find info on it on ck wiki.

EDIT : Converting to pre-existing culture can also put your technology ahead of what your current one is.

[Sheldon666]

After change some of my vassals now don´t like me anymore. Is there ANY benefit in doing this?

[LzDK14]

Well, I can give you reason why NOT to change to russian culture from norse before becoming feudal. You'll lose access to scandinavian elective succession laws, imo, that's a big issue.
Wait till you get out of tribalism, then convert.
As for if you should convert or not at all - you, most likely will not be norse culture head as ruler of russian lands, even if you convert all your counties to norse.

[Sheldon666]

Good answers!
Is scandinavian elective succession laws important right from the start or can I wait till my ruler is a bit older and I have more ressources?

[City312]

There is a trick on how to switch to Russian culture and still keep elective succession laws. And it works on Ironman mode.

1. You form Kingdom of Novgorod.
2. You change your succession law to elective
3. Switch to Russian culture. You still keep elective succession law.

Intended or a bug, I don't know.

[CrUsHeR]

OMG, don't play with scandinavian elective in Russia. That is about the silliest thing i've heard in a long time.

Rurik is >THE< start for the most massive land expansion in the entire game. You get to conquer so much land that you soon won't know where to put all the crowns from the kingdoms you will be creating. And forming the actual Empire of Russia is extremely easy, as long as you stick to the de jure borders. Once you become emperor, you no longer lose land within and around Russia.

Only thing that can cross your plans is Khazaria, but from my experience they tend to shatter in an independence revolt early on (same like Kirghiz etc. all the premade empires are highly unstable)

[JS Cross]

Converting to Russian helps to avoid all the uprising by Russian peasants who want a ruler of their culture.

This is the main reason I can think of.

[City312]

Originally posted by JS Cross:

Converting to Russian helps to avoid all the uprising by Russian peasants who want a ruler of their culture.

This is the main reason I can think of.

RP reasons too :D

[Sheldon666]

Ok but all this applies only when I´m feudal which is some centuries in the future isn´t it?

In which way is scandinavian elective negative when being (in) russia?

[City312]

Originally posted by Sheldon666:

Ok but all this applies only when I´m feudal which is some centuries in the future isn´t it?

In which way is scandinavian elective negative when being (in) russia?

You can enable Scandinavian elective law even as tribal government.

I think he meant that having elective law in Russia makes the game too easy, even though I haven't played it with elective law so can't say if it's easier or harder.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by JS Cross:

Converting to Russian helps to avoid all the uprising by Russian peasants who want a ruler of their culture.

This is the main reason I can think of.

Indeed, becoming Russian is a good idea because of this. You may want to stay Asatru as Rurik though, since becoming Slavic would invert the CB costs against local rulers (piety/prestige). Just make sure to educate additional sons to be both Russian + Slavic in either case.

Though of course you should check for a good opportunity to become Orthodox as well.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by Lunasol:

Originally posted by Sheldon666:

Ok but all this applies only when I´m feudal which is some centuries in the future isn´t it?

In which way is scandinavian elective negative when being (in) russia?

You can enable Scandinavian elective law even as tribal government.

I think he meant that having elective law in Russia makes the game too easy, even though I haven't played it with elective law so can't say if it's easier or harder.

Can you elaborate where Elective is an advantage is Russia?

This is only good for realms which are lacking expansion options. Rurik and his followers have zero problems conquering several kingdoms in each of their lifetime, and should any be lost from confederate partition, it is extremely easy to get them back.

[City312]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Originally posted by Lunasol:

You can enable Scandinavian elective law even as tribal government.

I think he meant that having elective law in Russia makes the game too easy, even though I haven't played it with elective law so can't say if it's easier or harder.

Can you elaborate where Elective is an advantage is Russia?

This is only good for realms which are lacking expansion options. Rurik and his followers have zero problems conquering several kingdoms in each of their lifetime, and should any be lost from confederate partition, it is extremely easy to get them back.

I didn't say it is an advantage, I was referring to your previous post and I thought that's what you meant lol.

Also having to pay piety for conquest instead of prestige is not such a big difference. There is always enough of both unless you go conquest chaining.

Edit: Forgot to mention that you pay piety if you go to war against nations of Slavic religion. Against other religions it's prestige.

[Rialm]

I prefer to manage my culture, Why? Because if you go full learning or you have a partner with learning you will research everything faster. Plus sometime the AI doesn't unlock High Partition or Partition or Primogeniture.. I have to say, Succession laws are the most important thing in this game.

[LzDK14]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

OMG, don't play with scandinavian elective in Russia. That is about the silliest thing i've heard in a long time.

Rurik is >THE< start for the most massive land expansion in the entire game. You get to conquer so much land that you soon won't know where to put all the crowns from the kingdoms you will be creating. And forming the actual Empire of Russia is extremely easy, as long as you stick to the de jure borders. Once you become emperor, you no longer lose land within and around Russia.

Only thing that can cross your plans is Khazaria, but from my experience they tend to shatter in an independence revolt early on (same like Kirghiz etc. all the premade empires are highly unstable)

Hmm, why would ANYONE stay INSIDE russian borders? All belongs to Mother Russia!