Is invade Kingdom broken?

[NorPhi]

This is now the second time, that invade Kingdom only gave me a handful of counties (i think I got only those I occupied, but not sure) while the title, most of the de jure area and everything outside stayed with the former ruler. I am baffled of I just completely misundertand the war goal or if this actually is bugged now. This wasted 2000 Prestige with almost no return, I could have just used conquer duchy and would have gotten more....

[ddrei]

a kingdom is a good return. now press all those de jure charges for everything underneath it.

[BrowneHawk]

So the AI can own only one kingdom, but still occupy lands in another kingdoms dejure area. So many times when invading kingdom you could have 5 or more target kingdoms.

Always make sure you are targeting the correct kingdom, because the game will still let you "kingdom invade" another lord even if he only owns a few of those counties.

It sounds like you went to invade King of Lands you want, but the target was for some other kingdom he also had lands in.

If thats the case not sure, invaded last night and got the whole kingdom area, after choosing it from a list of 10 other kingdoms inside the empire I attacked.

[NorPhi]

I targeted the correct kingdom. This was also the only kingdom title hold by that character. The description says that you get the title, all de jure land and all occupied land outside of the de jure area. At first I though this was oddly phrased but now I see that i was not supposed to get everything outside if the title but only occupied stuff. However, I ONLY got occupied counties. So to me it seems like the final check is broken and the game never hands over the title and it's de jure land but instead gives you what you have occupied. In most cases you need to conquer everything anyway but I had a lot of war score from battles.

The Last time this happened the area I did not get was occupied by a peasant revolt or other rulers, my sweden now looks like swiss cheese...

[CelestialSlayer]

you get all the kingdom titles and all the counties that you control outside of the kingdom that were theirs when you sign the peacedeal - thats how i understand it. So if you enforce your demands and you dont have any occupied territories outside the kingdom then you just get the kingdom lands. Thats how i understand it. If that isnt what happened then something is wonky.

[gidro]

Originally posted by CelestialSlayer:

you get all the kingdom titles and all the counties that you control outside of the kingdom that were theirs when you sign the peacedeal - thats how i understand it. So if you enforce your demands and you dont have any occupied territories outside the kingdom then you just get the kingdom lands. Thats how i understand it. If that isnt what happened then something is wonky.

Yeah it's how it works, pretty much like the blood of alexander gamey thing in ck2, you can reach 100% by sieging everything outside the target to get the most of that war :) And you can even keep going after reaching 100% I imagine.

Also the guy you attack don't have to own the title of the kingdom you target. You're just saying, "you have land in ***** and I want it", so it's quite possible to declare war on the wrong kingdom by mistake and realise afterwards it was only for 1 county.

[NorPhi]

Yeah, this is how everyone understands it to work, so why did I not get any of that? I did NOT get a title, I did NOT get all of the de jure counties, and I did NOT get anything else that was hold by the enemy at time of the peace deal.
Instead, what I got was only what I had occupied and my enemy kept everything else (until he was torn apart by his neighbours who all declared after I wiped out his big scary armies).
This is already the second time this happened in this particular game. Hence, the question if this feature is broken or of the description is just horrible.

[gidro]

well i've seen it work properly, so if it's broken it's not all the time. Everything is possible.

[NorPhi]

Originally posted by gidro:

well i've seen it work properly, so if it's broken it's not all the time. Everything is possible.

So you actually got the title, too? Do you remember if your target had other defensive wars going on at the time?

[gidro]

Originally posted by NorPhi:

Originally posted by gidro:

well i've seen it work properly, so if it's broken it's not all the time. Everything is possible.

So you actually got the title, too? Do you remember if your target had other defensive wars going on at the time?

No no, didn't get the kingdom title, but I got every county he had inside of the de jure + other counties outside that I had sieged. I needed to usurp the kingdom after the war, and I had to wait a few months because he had another war going with someone else. Don't remember if it was defensive or offensive.

In my case he had still other lands outside of the kingdom I attacked. I imagine the kingdom title would have been destroyed otherwise, and I just would've had to create it if I wanted.

[Athmet]

Originally posted by gidro:

Originally posted by NorPhi:

So you actually got the title, too? Do you remember if your target had other defensive wars going on at the time?

No no, didn't get the kingdom title, but I got every county he had inside of the de jure + other counties outside that I had sieged. I needed to usurp the kingdom after the war, and I had to wait a few months because he had another war going with someone else. Don't remember if it was defensive or offensive.

In my case he had still other lands outside of the kingdom I attacked. I imagine the kingdom title would have been destroyed otherwise, and I just would've had to create it if I wanted.

I was wondering this reading your other posts above. But I could see the issue if the target is fighting multiple wars. Since the game will not let usurp a title if the target is at war, I am wondering if that is not what prevented you to acquire the title in the first place when you peace him out ?

[gidro]

Originally posted by Athmet:

Originally posted by gidro:

No no, didn't get the kingdom title, but I got every county he had inside of the de jure + other counties outside that I had sieged. I needed to usurp the kingdom after the war, and I had to wait a few months because he had another war going with someone else. Don't remember if it was defensive or offensive.

In my case he had still other lands outside of the kingdom I attacked. I imagine the kingdom title would have been destroyed otherwise, and I just would've had to create it if I wanted.

I was wondering this reading your other posts above. But I could see the issue if the target is fighting multiple wars. Since the game will not let usurp a title if the target is at war, I am wondering if that is not what prevented you to acquire the title in the first place when you peace him out ?

Possibly but it'll be hard to verify, the AI is very opportunist, if they see a big war and someone getting destroyed, they jump in ^^

[Slimane]

Had the same thing happen to me during an invasion of Asturias. For some reason I only got half the counties. It instead vassalized the other catholic lords which of course, hated me. And since unreformed asatru is "pluralist" you can't even revoke those titles without a ton of Tyranny.

Seems like a bug. Because my first invasion of Andalusia worked properly.