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Zyme 2020 年 8 月 31 日 上午 10:26
Why is China important?
I don't get all these China-lovers. Why is it important for CK? This isn't EU4 where you travel the entire world.

I played over 400 hours of CK2 in Europe and I never once got to India. So adding China would make no sense other than using up valuable CPU time that could be used to do better things like making the AI smarter.

A bigger map is not better because it is bigger.
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The Former 2020 年 8 月 31 日 上午 10:31 
I guess because China has been a beacon of culture since ancient times. The Silk Road was a pretty huge deal in the Middle Ages, and eastern silks were quite common in courts as far west as Spain. I suppose the idea of an alternate history, where China interacts directly, is an appealing prospect for many.
Bordric 2020 年 8 月 31 日 上午 10:31 
Haven't seen anything about China.
Tom37 2020 年 8 月 31 日 上午 10:34 
Not to mention that Chinese is one of the supported languages and well China has over a billion people. I think there is a large player base that will want to play in China.
[Wahr] Eogard 2020 年 8 月 31 日 上午 10:34 
The same reason why Total War 3 kingdom was a massive success ... Chinese players are many on pc and want good games about their culture. Since their country can't produce any good game they turn to western products.
KharnTheKhan 2020 年 8 月 31 日 上午 10:34 
引用自 Zyme
I don't get all these China-lovers. Why is it important for CK? This isn't EU4 where you travel the entire world.

I played over 400 hours of CK2 in Europe and I never once got to India. So adding China would make no sense other than using up valuable CPU time that could be used to do better things like making the AI smarter.

A bigger map is not better because it is bigger.
Roleplay mostly, In CK2 i used to play a nation with a Han Ruler and slowly convert everyone to my culture and have lots of Han court members, Same with Aztec i played as Aztec in africa and slowly started conquering and converting
RRG_181917 2020 年 8 月 31 日 上午 10:38 
because chinese history and culture is awesome, and it's a severely underrepresented part of gaming. often the lens of the west is focused too close to home, whether that's on our modern day issues (russia, mid-east, bleeeegh) or our own history (europe, colonial periods, etc etc)

the chinese dynasties, feudal japan, the kingdoms of south-east asia... they all have a rich history that i would love to see explored in this time period. CK2 kind of dabbled in it with the chinese empire feature but that only went so far. the map here reaches even further east, and africa even further south and west, so that's all neat... getting there!

of course, i think it's on record that they've said they wanted to save east asia proper for its own game, but whether that meant ck3 (because it was during jade dragon's release for ck2) or a separate game, who knows.
最后由 RRG_181917 编辑于; 2020 年 8 月 31 日 上午 10:39
skywalkr2 2020 年 8 月 31 日 上午 10:41 
I understand the OPs point. The game is called CRUSADER KINGS... while the Chinese were definitely providing things via trade route, they didn't have any real impact on Crusader kings daily lives. However... Paradox could make a similiar game focused on China.
Empire autogladiators 2020 年 8 月 31 日 上午 10:42 
they don't want to show china because ccp won't approve if its historically mapped (they cowered with jade dragon)
最后由 Empire autogladiators 编辑于; 2020 年 8 月 31 日 上午 10:43
The Former 2020 年 8 月 31 日 上午 10:43 
引用自 skywalkr2
I understand the OPs point. The game is called CRUSADER KINGS... while the Chinese were definitely providing things via trade route, they didn't have any real impact on Crusader kings daily lives. However... Paradox could make a similiar game focused on China.

Neither did India, though, if we're talking about crusades specifically.
NeeLot 2020 年 8 月 31 日 上午 10:47 
引用自 skywalkr2
I understand the OPs point. The game is called CRUSADER KINGS... while the Chinese were definitely providing things via trade route, they didn't have any real impact on Crusader kings daily lives. However... Paradox could make a similiar game focused on China.
Wasn't this game's given name completely arbitrary, because it couldn't just be called "medieval ruler simulator"?
RRG_181917 2020 年 8 月 31 日 上午 10:47 
引用自 skywalkr2
I understand the OPs point. The game is called CRUSADER KINGS... while the Chinese were definitely providing things via trade route, they didn't have any real impact on Crusader kings daily lives. However... Paradox could make a similiar game focused on China.

Neither did India, though, if we're talking about crusades specifically.

or russia... or africa... or the steppes... or tibet...

there's a lot of periphery where nothing ever happened and probably won't happen, but it's still there to make the game world feel larger and give you new avenues for expansion, diplomacy, and play. it'd be the same with china, which i think is visibly their intent with such things as an on-map mongolia and expanded tibetan region
RRG_181917 2020 年 8 月 31 日 上午 10:48 
引用自 NeeLot
引用自 skywalkr2
I understand the OPs point. The game is called CRUSADER KINGS... while the Chinese were definitely providing things via trade route, they didn't have any real impact on Crusader kings daily lives. However... Paradox could make a similiar game focused on China.
Wasn't this game's given name completely arbitrary, because it couldn't just be called "medieval ruler simulator"?

back then, yes. something tells me you could get away with it now, there's so many "X simulator" games
Black_Rat 2020 年 8 月 31 日 上午 10:48 
The main issue is China historically had a different style of government then is usually depicted in the CK2 games. Im willing to bet they are having a hard time coming up with good gameplay that at least semi realistically depict how it worked irl, while keeping the style and idea behind CK2 (or 3)
最后由 Black_Rat 编辑于; 2020 年 8 月 31 日 上午 10:49
viranto 2020 年 8 月 31 日 上午 10:53 
China is historical a very interesting culture and for ck it gives something more to india and mongols. Because they can always go only to the left.
It works very well in Crusader Kings, when you look at the two mods, which add China to CKII.
I really hope we would get it.
As i know, there don't exist any china game in the middle age, with a deep like in crusader kings.
And when somebody have a problem with "crusader" then look at "europa" universalis.
I really hope china will be added, and when it is mod.

And when somebody don't want it, just ignore it on the map :) You don't have to interact with it.
最后由 viranto 编辑于; 2020 年 8 月 31 日 上午 11:01
RRG_181917 2020 年 8 月 31 日 上午 10:55 
引用自 Black_Rat
The main issue is China historically had a different style of government then is usually depicted in the CK2 games. Im willing to bet they are having a hard time coming up with good gameplay that at least semi realistically depict how it worked irl, while keeping the style and idea behind CK2 (or 3)

they did have a unique government form in CK2 that was functionally different from the others, and i think it did a fair job of doing what it set out to do, but yes it would require more depth than "you can own cities without penalties, you don't care about subject religion," etc
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