So what do i do with relgion now? How do I spread it?

[Sky Sweeper]

If i cant force convert rulers how exactly am I meant to found and spread a new religion? I dont really know how the religion system works yet but that was the only way i could reasonably spread it, especially to places outside my control... i dont know what to do now.

[Sky Sweeper]

Messaggio originale di gidro:

Wait if you're talking about your own lands, of course you can...

You can demand conversion to your vassals, and if they refuse you can revoke and put someone else.

Tyranny penalty

[Sky Sweeper]

Messaggio originale di boo:

Well, I do agree that they should make it so that we can adjust all the rules to tailor the game to how we want it. Thankfully there are mods that help. For example the more rules mod is one I used and I set the religion speed to fast which speed it up to double, but theres I think very fast which makes it four times as fast etc.. It had a lot more options too which were really interesting. Culture conversion, make everyone feudal or tribal...

Don't those sort of things deactivate ironman mode? Im trying to not do that because i actually want to get achievements

[gidro]

Messaggio originale di Sky Sweeper:

Messaggio originale di gidro:

Wait if you're talking about your own lands, of course you can...

You can demand conversion to your vassals, and if they refuse you can revoke and put someone else.

Tyranny penalty

Absolutly not. "- Denying a conversion request now gives the liege a revoke reason, in addition to the imprisonment reason they already got."

Also : "- You can no longer Demand Conversion from imprisoned foreign rulers" Doesn't say anything about your vassals.

[Sky Sweeper]

Messaggio originale di gidro:

Messaggio originale di Sky Sweeper:

Tyranny penalty

Absolutly not. "- Denying a conversion request now gives the liege a revoke reason, in addition to the imprisonment reason they already got."

Okay but what about foreign powers? No point in making a new religion if its only within my own borders.

[boo]

Yes they deactivate ironman mode. You don't need silly achievements lol

[gidro]

Messaggio originale di Sky Sweeper:

Messaggio originale di gidro:

Absolutly not. "- Denying a conversion request now gives the liege a revoke reason, in addition to the imprisonment reason they already got."

Okay but what about foreign powers? No point in making a new religion if its only within my own borders.

Yep I agree that's a limitation. Feels lonely. Unless converting an heir doesn't remove him from the succession ? I haven't played enough with kidnapping to know.

[Nellvan]

"You cannot Demand Conversion from a Landed Ruler who is not your Vassal."

If you want to bring in foreigners you can still do it, you just gotta do more scheming and work upwards I guess. Can't just start right on the top.

[Sky Sweeper]

Messaggio originale di Nellvan:

"You cannot Demand Conversion from a Landed Ruler who is not your Vassal."

If you want to bring in foreigners you can still do it, you just gotta do more scheming and work upwards I guess. Can't just start right on the top.

Wha...? I dont understand this. Im wanting to convert them, not have them convert me. Only sure fire way i know to do that was demanding conversion of foreign prisoners.

[Nellvan]

Conversions work just as before, IF your prisoner is NOT a landed ruler.

So you must find a way around this, convert them before they are landed rulers, convert other important people, idk. Though there's probably problems as well due to that "lieges try to keep vassals in line more".

And seriously, forced conversion really was waaaay to strong. For a tiny opinion hit, even half of a weak hook, almost everybody immediately jumps ship? That just felt wrong.

[Sky Sweeper]

Messaggio originale di Nellvan:

Conversions work just as before, IF your prisoner is NOT a landed ruler.

So you must find a way around this, convert them before they are landed or rulers, convert other important people, idk. Though there's probably problems as well due to that "lieges try to keep vassals in line more".

And seriously, forced conversion really was waaaay to strong. For a tiny opinion hit, even half of a weak hook, almost everybody immediately jumps ship? That just felt wrong.

Yes it was OP but it was also the only way i know of to actively spread your religion outside your own territory. Now i dont know how the ♥♥♥♥ to actively spread it, because the thing you suggested relies on them actually getting land later which is a gamble at best. I need a guaranteed active way of spreading religion.

[Nellvan]

Ok, don't really know what to say then. There is none? Would be really dumb if a game about holy wars ( and dynasties) simply allowed to bypass all the war and dynasty maneuvering, that's my opinion on that.

Other people already suggested pushing claims after you converted the claimants, that's probably the most obvious step , and past that, yeah it's gotta take more intrigue work. Not just as a stat to spam one action, but actually from the player.

Once they sort out the female claims mess they just made, at least there'll again be more claims going around.

[Sky Sweeper]

Messaggio originale di Nellvan:

Ok, don't really know what to say then. There is none? Would be really dumb if a game about holy wars ( and dynasties) simply allowed to bypass all the war and dynasty maneuvering, that's my opinion on that.

Other people already suggested pushing claims after you converted the claimants, that's probably the most obvious step , and past that, yeah it's gotta take more intrigue work. Not just as a stat to spam one action, but actually from the player.

Once they sort out the female claims mess they just made, at least there'll again be more claims going around.

That is a problem in a game about crusades and religious wars. I should be able to send out conversion parties to other countries, like medieval bible-salesmen. religious spread should be something I can actively influence, not have to rely on the passive effects to control.

What is the point of making my own religion if it can't be forced on other kingdoms. I see none.

[kaiyl_kariashi]

Messaggio originale di Sky Sweeper:

Messaggio originale di Nellvan:

Ok, don't really know what to say then. There is none? Would be really dumb if a game about holy wars ( and dynasties) simply allowed to bypass all the war and dynasty maneuvering, that's my opinion on that.

Other people already suggested pushing claims after you converted the claimants, that's probably the most obvious step , and past that, yeah it's gotta take more intrigue work. Not just as a stat to spam one action, but actually from the player.

Once they sort out the female claims mess they just made, at least there'll again be more claims going around.

That is a problem in a game about crusades and religious wars. I should be able to send out conversion parties to other countries, like medieval bible-salesmen. religious spread should be something I can actively influence, not have to rely on the passive effects to control.

What is the point of making my own religion if it can't be forced on other kingdoms. I see none.

Uhh..that's what Holy Wars are for. You exterminate the non-believers and replace them with Good "insert religion believer here".

otherwise they get passively converted if there's sufficient interest in doing so. See if you can befriend claiments to high titles within the target realm, and then once they're in your realm, convert them, and then press their claims and put them on the throne of the nation in question. (give them independence afterward if you don't want to have to manage the region directly yourself).

Just grab a few of their people and force convert them and send them home. Eventually they'll end up in positions of power and/or spread the word via event conversions to their neighbors. Or their liege kill/banish/force convert them back. So it goes.

[Asuzu]

I find that just cleaning place with a holy war then slapping my own faith+culture vassals does it over time.

All astray faiths you can just sway->befriend->offer vassalization->demand conversion, barely takes 2-4 years. That is assuming you are the Emporer level.
If you feel impatient, just force vassalize them, simple 3 perks in diplo tree.

Your steward is best put into your capital on perma-improve development job. Only use him for culture conversion if you take over new duchy you wanna keep for yourself to quickly convert counties to your culture (e.g. Jerusalem rush from Byzantine).

Yes you can demand conversion if heresiarch is your vassal. Since I'm normally at 100 dread all the time usually they pee themselves and convert right back. If they refuse you imprison + revoke/banish. Do NOT negotiate release with vassal for conversion - it does not convert his family members (obvious oversight). It's better to clean up and restart the county management :)

It's quite easy to manage iron grip on your culture and religion if you pay attention what is going on around. And I love the new notifications since they are quite on spot most of the time.

[Sky Sweeper]

Messaggio originale di kaiyl_kariashi:

Messaggio originale di Sky Sweeper:

That is a problem in a game about crusades and religious wars. I should be able to send out conversion parties to other countries, like medieval bible-salesmen. religious spread should be something I can actively influence, not have to rely on the passive effects to control.

What is the point of making my own religion if it can't be forced on other kingdoms. I see none.

Uhh..that's what Holy Wars are for. You exterminate the non-believers and replace them with Good "insert religion believer here".

otherwise they get passively converted if there's sufficient interest in doing so. See if you can befriend claiments to high titles within the target realm, and then once they're in your realm, convert them, and then press their claims and put them on the throne of the nation in question. (give them independence afterward if you don't want to have to manage the region directly yourself).

Just grab a few of their people and force convert them and send them home. Eventually they'll end up in positions of power and/or spread the word via event conversions to their neighbors. Or their liege kill/banish/force convert them back. So it goes.

I think people are being confused... I don't want to actually take their lands :/ I want them to convert to my religion but keep their independence.