Contradicting Personality Traits

[Chilltex]

Has anyone else come across trait compositions that seem like they should not exist? Such as a ruler with Just and Sadistic? Few other combo's I have seen are:

Wrathful and forgiving - I seriously do not understand how a character could be wrathful and forgiving at the same time..
Brave and Craven - Look at the brave coward! I mean really... This shouldn't be possible. I had a ward who developed these traits. He first had brave, (was going for steward training, the other options had no + stewardship) the second time choosing options came up the other 2 had negatives to stewardship, so craven was the obvious choice. So he then became a brave craven. Game should have seen he was brave and would not even give craven as an option.
Humble and ambitious - Really? these are opposites....
Arbitrary and Generous - Arbitrary little to no regard for others, Generous acts of charity and benevolence to others. If I have little regard for others why would I go out of my way to be generous?

Some of these combo's lead to stress reeling out of control, due to almost all options end up creating stress. A checks and balances system would be nice to have for these traits so not everyone ends up psychotic in the world.

Maybe it's just me, but these all seem silly trait combo's and I am sure there are more I am missing. And I do seem to be rather unlucky with this game, must've fallen out of favor with RNG gods long ago.. lol.

[Eddie Latium]

There's something wrong, they shouldn't have opposing Traits.
https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Traits

[CrUsHeR]

Open the link of EA Latium above. Click on "descriptions". This will sort them by opposites.

Basically nothing you listed are opposites, like just and sadistic are not even the same category.

For something like Brave and Craven, i'd like to see a screenshot. Obtaining either will replace the other.

[Chilltex]

Well the only one that hit up against that list was Brave/Craven. Rest were just my understanding of the personality types. According to that list no others are against it. So must just be me, still seems silly to me and works as intended for the most part. Thanks for the link! :)

[Senlin]

Except brave and craven they are not really opposite, are they? I haven't seen brave and craven in the game, that would be a bug.

The others are sometimes a bit unusual, but I wouldn't say they are not possible. For example I can imagine someone wrathful (easily losing control) but still being forgiving (when the emotions go away).

Also just and sadistic can go hand in hand. Such person would be sadistic to someone who deserve it, in their opinion.

[Iskander]

Each trait has an opposite, for example:

Brave and Craven. They are In-Game opposites.
But Humble and Ambitious are not In-Game opposites. Humble and Arrogant are opposites, Ambitious and Content are opposites.
Some of the weird combinations you mention might seem weird at first, but are not impossible, for example:

Humble and Ambitious can go together. That person has the ambition to do great things, but he'll remain humble about it. (Bill Gates?)
Arbitrary and Generous: That person can be arbitrary in who he is generous to. He might ignore one beggar, but give freely to another.

Now as for two traits being opposites in a stress situation: one reducing stress and the other giving stress, that is not weird in itself, is it? Humans are complex creatures and one's inclinations being in conflict with another over a given situation is what life is all about.

[Chilltex]

Originally posted by froz:

Except brave and craven they are not really opposite, are they? I haven't seen brave and craven in the game, that would be a bug.

The others are sometimes a bit unusual, but I wouldn't say they are not possible. For example I can imagine someone wrathful (easily losing control) but still being forgiving (when the emotions go away).

Also just and sadistic can go hand in hand. Such person would be sadistic to someone who deserve it, in their opinion.

On the list Brave/ Craven should not exist together. It was on a ward... not even my heir in that run. I no longer have that save game.. I delete older save games I do not intend to continue.

[Chilltex]

Originally posted by Iskander:

Each trait has an opposite, for example:

Brave and Craven. They are In-Game opposites.
But Humble and Ambitious are not In-Game opposites. Humble and Arrogant are opposites, Ambitious and Content are opposites.
Some of the weird combinations you mention might seem weird at first, but are not impossible, for example:

Humble and Ambitious can go together. That person has the ambition to do great things, but he'll remain humble about it. (Bill Gates?)
Arbitrary and Generous: That person can be arbitrary in who he is generous to. He might ignore one beggar, but give freely to another.

Now as for two traits being opposites in a stress situation: one reducing stress and the other giving stress, that is not weird in itself, is it? Humans are complex creatures and one's inclinations being in conflict with another over a given situation is what life is all about.

Yeah, after reading that list I see that, thanks for the reply and your outtake on it.

[AlexMBrennan]

I would suggest consulting a dictionary if you don't speak English.

humble: having or showing a modest or low estimate of one's own importance
ambitious: having or showing a determination to succeed

arbitrary: not appearing to be based on any reason or system
generous: freely giving more than is necessary or expected

[Chilltex]

Originally posted by AlexMBrennan:

I would suggest consulting a dictionary if you don't speak English.

humble: having or showing a modest or low estimate of one's own importance
ambitious: having or showing a determination to succeed

arbitrary: not appearing to be based on any reason or system
generous: freely giving more than is necessary or expected

I would suggest being civil and sticking to the topic at hand. This was not a post on how to use a dictionary to look up definitions. I was simply going by the descriptions given within the game. Which the way they are described seems as they could in fact be opposite of each other.

[Iriath Zhul]

Haven't seen contradictory traits, just annoying educational outcomes, like my "Shadowy Trickster" heir who is Just + Honest -__-

[kaiyl_kariashi]

Originally posted by Iriath Zhul:

Haven't seen contradictory traits, just annoying educational outcomes, like my "Shadowy Trickster" heir who is Just + Honest -__-

damn, just missing Trusting (or Content) for the Trifecta.

[RawCode]

to reduce bad trait stacks assign yourself as guardian for your heir(s).

in some cases you won't get good combo, because game force you to chose Just or Shy and you cant reroll traits later.

But sometimes you can roll arbitrary, callous and sadistic and have really good time.

[BoydofZINJ]

Wraithful and compassion. You get stress from ordering the murder of someone and then you lose some stress for the murdering of someone. Oh boy! I have seen RNG events which give both a negative stress amount and a positive stress amount. Sometimes it balances it self out - othertimes it favors one side over the other.

[T-Murdah]

Compassionate, greedy schemers are really annoying.

[DaftCanuck]

I had a ruler who was Wrathful, Sadistic, and Compassionate.