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FullRefund Sep 27, 2020 @ 4:19am
Hagia Sophia as non-Orthodox?
The wiki indicates (implies maybe) that the Hagia Sophia can apply to any Abrahamic faith, detailing the "Christian/Judaism" version and the "Islam" version. I'm thinking this might be wrong (but wanted to be sure) as there is an option to change it to the Islam version, but nothing indicating the ability to turn it into a non-Orthodox version.

Am I missing something here? Is it possible to utilize the Hagia Sophia as another form of Christian or a Jew? I'm thinking maybe it can be done by converting it to the Islam version, then converting it back while being a different type of Christian, but that would be WAY more effort than would be reasonable.
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salatrin Sep 27, 2020 @ 4:55am 
I might be wrong but it looks like its only Orthodox(or its heresies) or Islam, because in the actual game game code in the 00_special_buildings.txt, it has 2 entries for the Hagia Sophia and the 1 says

is_enabled = {
custom_description = {
text = holy_site_building_trigger
barony = {
is_holy_site_of = scope:holder.faith
}
}
}

While the 2nd one has the same but adds the line

scope:holder = {
faith = { religion_tag = islam_religion }
}

Meaning the effects of the Hagia Sophia seem to only be enabled only if Islam religion or is a Holy site of the faith (Catholism doesnt have Constantinople as a holy site while Orthodoxy and its heresies does)

Could be wrong though.
FullRefund Sep 27, 2020 @ 5:14am 
@salatrin

Thanks for that. Your more technical findings, agree with my further wiki readings and some in-game testing.

It would appear that as a Christian you do indeed have to have Constantinople as a holy site, restricting to the variety of Orthodox religions or custom religions created from one of these.

My findings would have been incorrect for Muslims, unless I'm reading your data incorrectly, as any Muslim can convert it regardless of holy site. If Muslims also need to have it as a holy site then I've found that only Maturidism as Constantinople as a holy site and so that or a custom Muslim faith formed from it are the only options.

Seems Judaism is out of luck on this one.

On a side note I've figured the most efficient way to do this in Iron Man mode, as a Christian, is to convert to Messalianism and then create a custom faith (assuming you want a custom faith). Messalianism is the only Christian faith with Constantinople as a holy site that also has lay clergy (so you can hold temples and therefore get piety a lot faster <cough, North Korea strategy, cough>.
salatrin Sep 27, 2020 @ 5:19am 
Sorry i forgot something in my post, for the Islams when i added the additional line of code i forgot to mention that its an OR statement

The actual code for the islam Hagia Sophia is

is_enabled = {
OR = {
scope:holder = {
faith = { religion_tag = islam_religion }
}
custom_description = {
text = holy_site_building_trigger
barony = {
is_holy_site_of = scope:holder.faith
}
}
}
}

So, basically, be a Holy site of the holders faith OR the holder be Islam

So it seem that if a Muslim takes it and builds their version of the Hagia Sophia, then an Orthodox takes it back, they likely wont have to rebuild it yet again and can just claim the muslim one as their own.

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Date Posted: Sep 27, 2020 @ 4:19am
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