No Shield Maids ?

[Kaneda]

When you play as Blörn in Uppland, your Faith is Asatru, wich is dominated by Man, so Womens cant be Champions. But as far as i remember the Vikings and The last Kingdom Series, there was Shieldmaids in the Armys, so why is it different in CK3 ?

Yes i know you could change the Faith, but it should be normal Status to let the Womens fight, or not ?

[Natius]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shield-maiden
https://allthatsinteresting.com/viking-shieldmaidens

No there is no shield maiden in history, just mythology or just exist but everyone dont f*cking care about your gender at that time, or women just dress like man?
Still there is no fact, since every historian would disagree with that, like roman woman legionary and more

Changing Supremacy law could allow woman to fight, i play as Daura and most of time my queen fight with her soldiers side by side
but it cost so much faith

[AquilaESP]

In the nordic culture (as gallic and germanic in the time of Rome Empire) the womens fight if it is neccesary, but they form in the final line with the bagages or in the walls if they are in one city/town.

But they aren't soldiers and that you said of Shield Maids is a fantasy as the Amazons or the Valkries.

[La Comte de Frou Frou]

Simple. Don’t believe stupid tv shows or films. They are never right.

[Bakarina]

But Shield Waifus are important.

[Salvation]

lol someone watches too much tv

[CrUsHeR]

Nguyên văn bởi Misha:

But as far as i remember the Vikings and The last Kingdom Series, there was Shieldmaids in the Armys

1. None of these TV shows have anything to do with reality.

2. The Norse did not record their history, despite having a rune alphabet. So most of the things you'll hear - even in "sincere" documentaries - is something they cannot possibly know for certain. Thus anything that isn't veritable through archaeology, is not a fact, but interpretation or imagination.

3. The entire stories about "Ragnarr Lodbrok" and such are coming from the so-called Sagas, which were written many hundreds of years later by christians. I would put anything from these sources into the same fantasy realm like the "Nibelungenlied" or "Lord of the Rings".

[Kaneda]

Its a shame, i really liked the fact of hard fighting Womans, side by side with the Men. Good the Question is answered, so i like the Fact i can change the Rules of the Faith and let my Saga Maids fight in Glorius Battles :)

[CrUsHeR]

Some women did obviously fight, no doubt about that. If they could prove themselves.
There are certain Norse burials where a woman is buried with swords and other insignia of Norse chieftains, so even that must have been occasionally possible.

Many ancient peoples from the germanic tribes to east asia have recorded history of that.
Though in many cases it also isn't clear to which extent women were really in fully equal positions, or e.g. the history writing empires exaggerated this in order to make the tribes look more uncivilized and dishonorable compared to themselves.

Just saying, that the TV shows are fiction. And for most of the things you can find about the Norse specifically, are either heavily contradictory or cannot be proven at all.

Like in one of those BBC shows, the first scientist clearly says that the Norse never wrote history books, and that we know almost nothing because of this.
Then the next scientist says, they did exactly this and that because <reasons>. Although there is no way to verify anything about it.

[Crim]

Nguyên văn bởi Natius:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shield-maiden
https://allthatsinteresting.com/viking-shieldmaidens

No there is no shield maiden in history, just mythology or just exist but everyone dont f*cking care about your gender at that time, or women just dress like man?
Still there is no fact, since every historian would disagree with that, like roman woman legionary and more

Changing Supremacy law could allow woman to fight, i play as Daura and most of time my queen fight with her soldiers side by side
but it cost so much faith

That wikipedia article is hilarious

"There were no warrior women"
"Women buried in warriors mass graves were probably just the warriors wives"
"Women holding weapons in those graves ... were probably just holding the man's weapons"
"Women who were 100% confirmed to be in historical battles... were just 1 offs"
"Women who were 100% confirmed to be in several battles... weren't specifically called shield maidens"

historians stretching harder than contortionists

[CrUsHeR]

Wikipedia always has to be taken critical. I usually just quote it when it contains something i already know from other sources.

For example if you follow the links, you can see that the "Greenland Saga" cited as source for "Shield Maidens" was written in the 13th or 14th century. How could they know what happened 300 or 500 years ago? Of course these are fairy tales, orally transmitted across dozens of generations - if not simply fiction to begin with.
And we know how a mosquito can turn into an elephant just from 5 people passing on the same story on the same day.

[losthorizon]

this is not a ubisoft game

[Crim]

Nguyên văn bởi lostsoul:

this is not a ubisoft game

So you're saying Crusader Kings would never be so low to use something 'ahistorical' like Shield Maiden in their games?

[JC]

Nguyên văn bởi Natius:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shield-maiden
https://allthatsinteresting.com/viking-shieldmaidens

No there is no shield maiden in history, just mythology or just exist but everyone dont f*cking care about your gender at that time, or women just dress like man?
Still there is no fact, since every historian would disagree with that, like roman woman legionary and more

Changing Supremacy law could allow woman to fight, i play as Daura and most of time my queen fight with her soldiers side by side
but it cost so much faith

Well actually your wrong, and there is archeological evidence to prove this with recently unearthed graves of viking warrior women found buried with used armor/weapons. there are also stories and books that make many references to fierce women warriors at the time.

weapons where extremely valuable in those days, you would not just bury them with a women just because. Not a single person would say they were not his if it was a man's grave.

I do find it ironic that people will say these are just made up stories, yet people take noah building an arc as a fact. There is only one i find believable and its not the boat.

[Velimirius]

when they DLC in warriors lodge again we will get them.

[Donathan Cheadledge]

The history of vikings is pretty up in the air, guess devs decided to do it different.