Is Gaeldom Formable?

[Æthelred]

Started as a count/chief of Sutherland. Is it possible to form this tag beside Scotland?

[CrUsHeR]

Here at the bottom are four links for all titles. You're probably looking for a Kingdom

https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Titles#List_of_titles

Also all info about how to form them, wether they are created normally or by events/decisions.

[Æthelred]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Here at the bottom are four links for all titles. You're probably looking for a Kingdom

https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Titles#List_of_titles

Also all info about how to form them, wether they are created normally or by events/decisions.

Thanks, I don't see any mention of Gaeldom so I assume it's not possible but I was wondering if it's possible by event, like say before I got the "Restore the Kingdom of Cornwall" which automatically gives you the title King even though you only hold 2 counties which also makes neighboring duchies of Wessex and Hwicce a de jure part of the title if owned.

[CrUsHeR]

Well any possible title should be in those lists, so if it is not there, then it likely doesn't exist.

[BoydofZINJ]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Well any possible title should be in those lists, so if it is not there, then it likely doesn't exist.

The wiki is not correct. Alba will sitll be displayed, for instance, if Alba controls, "Albany, Mann, Strathclyde, the Isles, Lothian, Moray" However, it will automatically convert to Alba to "Scotland" if an Anglo-Saxon or "Scots" culture is on the throne of Alba.

While yes, you need those other stuff too.... some kingdoms and titles require special conditions not listed on the Wiki.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by BoydofZINJ:

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Well any possible title should be in those lists, so if it is not there, then it likely doesn't exist.

The wiki is not correct. Alba will sitll be displayed, for instance, if Alba controls, "Albany, Mann, Strathclyde, the Isles, Lothian, Moray" However, it will automatically convert to Alba to "Scotland" if an Anglo-Saxon or "Scots" culture is on the throne of Alba.

While yes, you need those other stuff too.... some kingdoms and titles require special conditions not listed on the Wiki.

Not sure what you mean.

Alba is just the localized name, if a gaelic ruler own the kingdom. It becomes Scotland after the Scots culture appears from an anglo-saxon (germanic) ruler on the throne.

https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Culture#Culture_splits

All "special conditions" you are referring to are tagged as "must be created" in the title lists linked above, and the exact conditions are then found under Decisions.

https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Decisions

And others just exist for historical reasons as titular titles (as the links to the titles explains).
These are listed in italic font.

[BoydofZINJ]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Originally posted by BoydofZINJ:

The wiki is not correct. Alba will sitll be displayed, for instance, if Alba controls, "Albany, Mann, Strathclyde, the Isles, Lothian, Moray" However, it will automatically convert to Alba to "Scotland" if an Anglo-Saxon or "Scots" culture is on the throne of Alba.

While yes, you need those other stuff too.... some kingdoms and titles require special conditions not listed on the Wiki.

Not sure what you mean.

Alba is just the localized name, if a gaelic ruler own the kingdom. It becomes Scotland after the Scots culture appears from an anglo-saxon (germanic) ruler on the throne.

https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Culture#Culture_splits

All "special conditions" you are referring to are tagged as "must be created" in the title lists linked above, and the exact conditions are then found under Decisions.

https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Decisions

And others just exist for historical reasons as titular titles (as the links to the titles explains).
These are listed in italic font.

If you start the game in 867 the title: Kingdom of Alba exists and is currently ruled by gaelics. If an Anglo-Saxon or "scots" culture gets on the throne the computer will change the name of the title from Alba to Scotland.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2238633695

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2238633982

Takes 3 seconds to confirms this. Create a new game in the 1066 era. Play as Scotland. The ruler is a "scots" culture. The capital is on a Gaelic county. Go to decisions and convert to local culture and you will convert you and your family to gaelic and the title transforms from Scotland to Alba.

This is done based on the culture which is on the THRONE of Scotland or Alba. The name of Britainne empire changes based on the culture as well. Keep in mind, this is more or less flavor texting... it does nothing than change the name of the title and what you see on the world map and you can change the title manually as well... just because you are gaelic you could decide to change Alba to Scotland manually. Regardless, there are SOME title changes based on culture - the wiki does not mention this.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by BoydofZINJ:

If you start the game in 867 the title: Kingdom of Alba exists and is currently ruled by gaelics. If an Anglo-Saxon or "scots" culture gets on the throne the computer will change the name of the title from Alba to Scotland.

This is exactly what i said above.

And it is literally the same title (ID-wise), just with a localized name.

[BoydofZINJ]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Originally posted by BoydofZINJ:

If you start the game in 867 the title: Kingdom of Alba exists and is currently ruled by gaelics. If an Anglo-Saxon or "scots" culture gets on the throne the computer will change the name of the title from Alba to Scotland.

This is exactly what i said above.

And it is literally the same title (ID-wise), just with a localized name.

Right. However, i believe the OP is asking if the specific title exist. It might, as another culture that has to get it converted or some other thing. I have been playing Alba and wanted to figure out how to get Alba to convert to Scotland... so i been trying a few different things. I have not seen it converted to other names. it might, though. I am not consoleing anything... i just play games and see if i can change it up by doing something goofy.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by BoydofZINJ:

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

This is exactly what i said above.

And it is literally the same title (ID-wise), just with a localized name.

Right. However, i believe the OP is asking if the specific title exist. It might, as another culture that has to get it converted or some other thing. I have been playing Alba and wanted to figure out how to get Alba to convert to Scotland... so i been trying a few different things. I have not seen it converted to other names. it might, though. I am not consoleing anything... i just play games and see if i can change it up by doing something goofy.

This is explained here

https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Culture#Culture_splits

"The following cultures will divide into multiple small cultures once certain time periods are reached. The player character will get the option to cancel the culture split if the player controls 80% of the counties with the original culture."

Anglo-Saxon (850-950, region of Scotland) -> Scots (always)

[BoydofZINJ]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Originally posted by BoydofZINJ:

Right. However, i believe the OP is asking if the specific title exist. It might, as another culture that has to get it converted or some other thing. I have been playing Alba and wanted to figure out how to get Alba to convert to Scotland... so i been trying a few different things. I have not seen it converted to other names. it might, though. I am not consoleing anything... i just play games and see if i can change it up by doing something goofy.

This is explained here

https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Culture#Culture_splits

"The following cultures will divide into multiple small cultures once certain time periods are reached. The player character will get the option to cancel the culture split if the player controls 80% of the counties with the original culture."

Anglo-Saxon (850-950, region of Scotland) -> Scots (always)

Right that happens, but Alba is still form. it is talking about 4 specific counties which auto converts from anglo-saxon to scots culture. It does not talk about the title of "kingdom of Alba" (which is still Alba unless someone on the throne changes culture). Likewise, normally norse vikings hold those lands and Alba has to "liberate" them before the Norse changes the culture ... otherwise it is gone for good.

[Æthelred]

I don't know if it's a bug but I have had Alba be Scotland with an AI Norse Catholic on the throne.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by Vladrein:

I don't know if it's a bug but I have had Alba be Scotland with an AI Norse Catholic on the throne.

Because Scotland is the default name for the title called "k_scotland" internally.

It just assumes the name "Alba" while a Gaelic ruler holds the title.

A bit confusing since we talked about the culture split to Scots before, which is also changes the name to Scotland if a Scots ruler takes the title from a Gaelic one.

[Æthelred]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Originally posted by Vladrein:

I don't know if it's a bug but I have had Alba be Scotland with an AI Norse Catholic on the throne.

Because Scotland is the default name for the title called "k_scotland" internally.

It just assumes the name "Alba" while a Gaelic ruler holds the title.

A bit confusing since we talked about the culture split to Scots before, which is also changes the name to Scotland if a Scots ruler holds it.

I understand now, I see this often in Iberia between Muslim and Catholic duchies and kingdoms.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by Vladrein:

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Because Scotland is the default name for the title called "k_scotland" internally.

It just assumes the name "Alba" while a Gaelic ruler holds the title.

A bit confusing since we talked about the culture split to Scots before, which is also changes the name to Scotland if a Scots ruler holds it.

I understand now, I see this often in Iberia between Muslim and Catholic duchies and kingdoms.

That is a special rule for muslim realms of (iirc) arabian or berber cultures, they are always named after the ruling dynasty.

In CK2 this simply affected all muslim realms, but in CK3 i have for example a Somalian muslim empire, and their realms all have the local de jure names.