Will the game contain Deus Vult?

[ProRic]

Simple question.

[Antonio Margheriti]

Iirc I think they went back on it, or something.

It'll probably be in game idk

[MeldinX2]

Originally posted by ProfessorRich:

Simple question.

Yes Deus vult is still in the game. Atleast i've seen a screenshot or something with that text on a crusade event. Unless they changed it, it should be in the game.

[Eqqsquizitine Buble-Schwinslow]

Yeah. To my understanding they never actually intended to remove it. They just voiced their concern that the term had been adopted by the fringe-right.

If they don't include the phrase in a game about crusades, they're just dumb. And they'd have to cut out a whole bunch of other ♥♥♥♥ too, if they want to eliminate everything that's been appropriated by neo-nazis over the years.

[The Former]

Indeed, everything I've read indicates it's in the game in its historical context. It's odd that this has become a hinge point for so many on both sides purely over its usage by a corner of the internet, but... From what I understand, it will exist in the game as a crusader rallying cry. I can't confirm this 100%, but everything I've read seems to indicate it.

[TitanViper]

Yes one of the early videos on youtube includes deus vult. Cant remember which one

[viranto]

Yes it is in, its like the holy fury dlc.

[Dayve]

Originally posted by Flickmann:

Originally posted by Hulkninja:

Yeah. To my understanding they never actually intended to remove it. They just voiced their concern that the term had been adopted by the fringe-right.

Imagine being such a snow-flake that a millenia-old Latin phrase triggers you.

Swedes, I guess.

Will the term "jihad" be in the game, despite the frequent usage from fascistic Islamist cults?

I hope it's in. I hope we have Deus Vult for the crusaders and Allahu Akbar for the Jihads. Why change history for modern sensibilities?

[AethelWulf02]

I believe the terms will be in and that the article that mentioned Deus Vult isn't in the game, was actually sorta click baiting and making it up from a statement from the Devs saying they weren't sure themselves.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by Dayve:

I hope it's in. I hope we have Deus Vult for the crusaders and Allahu Akbar for the Jihads. Why change history for modern sensibilities?

These terms are far from equivalent:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_vult

"Disseminated in the form of hashtags and internet memes, Deus vult has enjoyed popularity with members of the alt-right because of its perceived representation of the clash of civilizations between the Christian West and the Islamic world.[5][22][6] Crusader memes, such as an image of a Knight Templar accompanied by the caption "I’ll see your jihad and raise you one crusade", are popular on hard-right internet pages.[7] The motto is also used by nationalist groups in Europe and was portrayed on large banners during marches celebrating the Polish National Independence Day in 2017."



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takbir

"This phrase is recited by Muslims in many different situations. For example, when they are very happy, to express approval, to prevent a Muslim from becoming prideful by reminding them that Allah is their source of success, or as a battle cry, during times of extreme stress. The phrase is not found in the Quran, (...)"

"The phrase is said during each stage of both salah (obligatory prayers, performed five times a day), and nafl (supererogatory prayers, performed at will). The Muslim call to prayer (adhan) by the muezzin and to commence prayer (iqama) also contains the phrase."

"The phrase is used after the birth of a child as a means of praising God.[11] It is also part Islamic funeral and burial customs."

"Takbir can be used to express joy or surprise. It is also used as applause in religious contexts, such as after a Quran recital, as other forms of applause are considered less appropriate."

"As a multi-purpose phrase, it is sometimes used by Arab football commentators as an expression of amazement"

"The phrase has sometimes been used as a battle cry by Muslim extremists. This usage has been denounced by other Muslims."


Basically - "deus vult" is exclusively a political slogan nowadays. Like a semi-secret handshake on public forums for people who, for example, approve of the Christchurch- or Utoya massacres due to their anti-islamic attitude.
Historical context is anecdotal at best, if you read the wiki entry linked above, it apparently was never said like that by the crusaders.

"Allahu Akbar" is definitely an everyday term. More similar to "thank god" which even complete atheists use as sign of great relief. It is simply part of everyday language.

[The Former]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

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Well if you're considering modern usage, both have their negative connotations, but I agree that the latter also has more generalized uses while the former doesn't. In literal translation, of course, there's not much comparison: One is praising God, the other is declaring that God wills a thing to be done, usually an aggressive thing. Even as a Christian, I recognize that "deus vult" has a more aggressive bent. (Then again, technically speaking, one is used today as a literal battle cry in war while the other is not.)

That said, I'm also of the mind that it shouldn't really matter since this game is framed entirely in a historical context. If "deus vult" isn't in the game, I won't have a second thought about buying. I do, however, feel it has a place in the context of Crusader Kings.

[deadbringer92]

wow , reason triumphed over madness , for once...