WTF why?

[EmotionallyBroken]

We're already doing great with CKII, its on a roll, the players love it,steady updates and releases and bug fixes..... (Now we'll have to divide their bug fix time among other titles) WHY? Why would you go and pull an EverQuest II on it???

WHY?


EDIT: Im noticing a pattern here with the people who ..... supposedly want to replace the currently working just fine and very well game. Their reason is "Just because its not new and shiny".

the other group seems to be aware that CKII is still the same game it was yesterday regardless if it was originally released next year , or 8 years ago.

I'm seeing a lot of "just because" from the first group.
"Just because its 8 years old its time to stop"....
ok.... why???
no answer behind it other than "its 8 old"
or some emotional argument like "you should be happy its not discontinued sooner", as if my feelings have anything to do with the game , its success and popularity.

or "I doubt they can do anything more with the engine"....
why? whats stopping them? they've been adding new stuff to it every few months for 8 years.....
no answer.......


What does that tell us?

[Cheese]

Yeah we said that when Windows XP was coming, why when Windows 98 was already so good...

[dimm_ddr]

Because CK2 has old engine and bloat with feature both good and bad. Every new thing will demand more and more work to be implemented. Even worse for rework - you always can find somebody who will start complaining that he bought DLC or game for exactly this and now it was removed. It is good idea to start from clean state and build something better (or worse) from scratch. They should do it long time ago, honestly. CK2 is good but there is already too much stuff inside it. And half of that stuff does not integrate well with other half.

[NeeLot]

I certainly was hoping for heresy and trade expansions, but I was also aware that CK2 was nearing the end of its life cycle. You can't keep releasing DLCs forever.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by NeeLot:

I certainly was hoping for heresy and trade expansions, but I was also aware that CK2 was nearing the end of its life cycle. You can't keep releasing DLCs forever.

Dynamic heresies sound dope, nice that catholicism will get something dynamic too and not just pagans.

[Mno]

What is OP talking about?

[EmotionallyBroken]

Originally posted by NeeLot:

I certainly was hoping for heresy and trade expansions, but I was also aware that CK2 was nearing the end of its life cycle. You can't keep releasing DLCs forever.

Im curious, are you planning on stopping them yourself ? Because they have been continuously doing just that with steady success. Im pretty sure they can, unless you mean truly forever, which would be a moot point.

Originally posted by dimm_ddr:

Because CK2 has old engine and bloat with feature both good and bad. Every new thing will demand more and more work to be implemented. Even worse for rework - you always can find somebody who will start complaining that he bought DLC or game for exactly this and now it was removed. It is good idea to start from clean state and build something better (or worse) from scratch. They should do it long time ago, honestly. CK2 is good but there is already too much stuff inside it. And half of that stuff does not integrate well with other half.

So you dont want DLC and expansions from CK2? One could say youdont have to buy them, but of course the updated software still has mechanics implemented and some features. Are you saying you want a simplified game? (Possibly to reduce the progressively slow play time in longer games on slower systems, which is highly understandable why one would wouldnt want to experience) Every game has things "some" people are going to consider good and bad, being new or old doesnt change that. Im not really understanding what youre saying here, but I commend you on well structured writing.

Originally posted by Doomcheese:

Yeah we said that when Windows XP was coming, why when Windows 98 was already so good...

Then they gave us the fischer price GUI of the future and made lots of sales money.

Originally posted by Doomcheese:

Originally posted by NeeLot:

I certainly was hoping for heresy and trade expansions, but I was also aware that CK2 was nearing the end of its life cycle. You can't keep releasing DLCs forever.

Dynamic heresies sound dope, nice that catholicism will get something dynamic too and not just pagans.

That does indeed sound interesting. Makes sense too. Thoughts, philosophies and policies have always been shifting, some declared wrong by opposition, that opposition often being dominant/winner, other times it was the winner, and CK2 lets use make heresies the dominant, which is pretty cool, it would add some more dynamics to it, though it would become somewhat more unhistorical I think with random changes rather than historical references.

Originally posted by press any key to continue:

What is OP talking about?

If you are referring to EQ2, There was a massively successful game known as EverQuest, many additions were put in, it was steady, things were going well, then out of no where
EVERQUEST 2!

Sure people bought it , it looked prettier, and it split the player base in half leaving both games less populated for the same game more or less. Though its worth noting with a persistent online multi player game thats more of a problem than it would be with game like CK2. Still, it is going to cause less interest in each game individually overall. People arent going to buy CK 3 when they're still doing all their replays of ck2, have hundreds of dollars invested in it, playing it with their friends on weekends ect, Many people are going to skip DLCs all together for one game, cause all their DLCs are invested in the other game.

Repeat the same for each game in vice versa.

To me, it looks like a pointless split that will hinder the development of both games, and possibly the discontinuation on either one of them where otherwise it would continue to flourish.

[NeeLot]

Originally posted by 250RoundMags:

Originally posted by NeeLot:

I certainly was hoping for heresy and trade expansions, but I was also aware that CK2 was nearing the end of its life cycle. You can't keep releasing DLCs forever.

Im curious, are you planning on stopping them yourself ?

I'm not trying to stop them. They've already done it without me and eventually, the same thing will happen to their other games.

[EmotionallyBroken]

Originally posted by NeeLot:

Originally posted by 250RoundMags:

Im curious, are you planning on stopping them yourself ?

I'm not trying to stop them. They've already done it without me and eventually, the same thing will happen to their other games.

Well then it would stand to reason, they can.

[NoobasticMan]

They said taht game is being held whit glue and hope

[Emperor]

To be honest, i probably don't see much time being devoted to CKII when CKIII releases. I think this is for the best. Crusader Kings III is nothing new really, for years paradox have made a game, made DLC for the game and then after 8 or so years release a new version with the latest engine. I can imagine Victoria III is in the works and would not surprise me if they announce that next year.

As for the split player base, probably wont be an issue for a multiplayer game such as CS:GO or DOTA a split would be more felt but CK is for the most part a singleplayer game people will play which ever game they prefer. CKII before the F2P announcement have 6000 players most days which had been declining.

[EmotionallyBroken]

Originally posted by Emperor:

As for the split player base, probably wont be an issue for a multiplayer game such as CS:GO or DOTA a split would be more felt but CK is for the most part a singleplayer game people will play which ever game they prefer.

Thats quite true (thank goodness)... the effects I think are likely to be more along the lines of this....

Originally posted by Emperor:

To be honest, i probably don't see much time being devoted to CKII when CKIII releases.

Less people playing CKII
which is going to mean less people buying CKII DLC
Which is going to mean .... less bug fixing, and less development
Which is going to mean....

premature abandonment of one of the worlds most successful titles in its prime.
"just because" ?


In my opinion.

[Cabbage]

1. CK2 isn't an MMO. You can play it forever and it will always be the same.

2. They aren't going to continue to support CK2. The signs of it being on the way out have been around for a while. Instead of inserting features into an already existing frame work, they can create an all new one that allows for things they could never do with CK2.

Honestly you all need to stop being whiny little wimps. Play your incest simulator as long as you want, it's not going anywhere. If you don't like 3 then why do you care? Do you really need a few more buttons in CK2 to make your life worth living? Not every game has to be supported into the 22nd century.

[MattySwizz]

Because it's 7 years old you clown. They only anticipated a 3 year run with the game.

[whatamidoing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULeDlxa3gyc
And none of it for the employees, apparently.

[The Cure]

Vanilla CK III will be a bare bones joke compared to II. They'll just nickel and dime you for the same features over and over again.