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Elegant Caveman 2. feb. 2021 kl. 9:02
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Please consider selling the Kickstarter cosmetics as DLC later
The pets, the outfits, whatever else there is.

If it shows up in the game and can only ever be acquired for a limited time through the Kickstarter campaign, that's going to be a sore spot for a lot of people.

I get that they're effective methods of pushing people to back at higher tiers, but... yeah... true exclusivity sucks.

Consider timed exclusivity instead, maybe? Offer them as paid DLC ~6-12 months after release or something like that.

And if you do that, make it clear on the Kickstarter page, otherwise you'll end up with angry Kickstarter backers.

It's a bit late to change since the campaign's already started, and I don't expect anything to come of this, but I still felt I should say something.

I love this game, and I want to see it succeed, but I'm not liking this exclusivity thing. Doesn't feel right.
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Cape God 3. mar. 2021 kl. 14:10 
"Deluxe Farmer Pack and above

Mythical pet: for every purchase of a Deluxe Farmer Pack, you will receive 2 mythical pets. One of them is the dragon below (color has not been finalized yet). Also available as an add-on.

Pioneers Pack and above

For every purchase of this pack, you will receive 1 crown, 2 outfits, and 3 wings. Includes everything from the previous tier. Also available as an add-on."

I think the items will be available later on as DLCs.
Bikanel desert 3. mar. 2021 kl. 14:15 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Cape God:
"Deluxe Farmer Pack and above

Mythical pet: for every purchase of a Deluxe Farmer Pack, you will receive 2 mythical pets. One of them is the dragon below (color has not been finalized yet). Also available as an add-on.

Pioneers Pack and above

For every purchase of this pack, you will receive 1 crown, 2 outfits, and 3 wings. Includes everything from the previous tier. Also available as an add-on."

I think the items will be available later on as DLCs.
They said no already......
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coralisland/coral-island-reimagining-the-farm-sim-game/posts/3093477
Elegant Caveman 3. mar. 2021 kl. 14:37 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Cape God:
I think the items will be available later on as DLCs.

If you meant "Also available as an add-on.", that's because you could pay extra to get those things regardless of the tier at which you backed. It was still within context of the Kickstarter, though.
Black Drake 27. jan. 2022 kl. 20:31 
So, I'm going to necro this topic. If the purpose is to raze funds, why not just sell them for twice the price later. As it is I'm probably not going to buy this game just on the fact that it has exclusive stuff in it. Sorry it's just something I can't get behind. if the goal is to fund development or pay the developers as people say this it should be a safe compromise to have to pay more money for it later. I guess it reminds me of some games that had levels locked behind preordering it. it's just something that I don't see the point on it is something that the devs designed so why not let people play it/with it. it reminds me of how to unlock the last level in Skylanders I need to find a Robo to buy and he is about 100 dollars from shady people. so that is data on my disc that I effectively have no way of accessing.

I can't help but feel like it is then a waste of development time when ten years from now no one can use them. If fifteen years from now they release them as dlc I doubt that anyone would have a problem with that. It just seems short sighted to me that they don't even consider later packs. It's like how FF7 remake or ff15 have the starter pack dlc now. I preordered those both at the top tier and I want them to sell those because it gives them more money and I want people to enjoy the full experience of the awesome game.

As a starting out game developer I can't understand why you would do all this effort to add stuff to a game just to lock it away. it's like how some newer games have started having a story difficulty. It's awesome because then you see the plot. I understand that they are cosmetic. in this game but if you are like me and like to get everything in a game then it is a bummer to find out that there are things that you can't do/have in it.

I guess what I'm saying is that 1-5 years after the game comes out it doesn't hurt anyone to let people unlock the content as a dlc. there was this music game I don't remember which that had a bonus music track if you preordered it and now no new players can ever play it.

Or like how star citizen was handing out free lifetime insurance on all your ships if you kickstarted it, (maybe it will come out before I die of old age.) that is kind of game changing but also can be considered a cosmetic in the sense that you can pay in-game money to buy limited insurance. but when I found out that lifetime insurance was a thing, I was like what!? I know this is gust a skin if you will for a pet and supposedly you can get other ones later but eh.

Anyway, that's my thought it's just I difference in design, I guess. It's one of those things. they have a right to sell it this way and I have a right to not buy it for that. I just see this a lot in the market it's why I kickstart books they later sell the books in bookstores, and I think oh cool now more people can enjoy that book. Eh maybe it's not like that with games though who knows.
LeBurns 23. feb. 2022 kl. 10:23 
I'll admit, I will most likely skip the game if there's content cut out I know I'll never be able to get no matter how much I pay. I get the Kickstarter incentive thing, but some people are just not gamblers but are willing to pay full price for a completed project. What I won't pay full price for is a project that I'll never get all the parts for no matter what I pay. Just silly that way I guess.
76561199224831426 27. feb. 2022 kl. 22:37 
Hello everyone,
To conclude the discussion, we do not have any gating for contents behind Kickstarter, only cosmetic items exclusive for our backers and will remain exclusive for our backers. The Kickstarter Exclusive will not block you from completing the game 100%.

Throughout the update, additional cosmetic items will also be made available for players.
Elegant Caveman 27. feb. 2022 kl. 22:54 
Cosmetics are content.

If you want to make them exclusive, that's your prerogative, but pretending they're not content is simply disingenuous.
LeBurns 28. feb. 2022 kl. 4:52 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Elegant Caveman:
Cosmetics are content.

If you want to make them exclusive, that's your prerogative, but pretending they're not content is simply disingenuous.

Agreed. In a game where customization is a thing, cosmetics is very important. Be it a hat or a pair of pants, it's the hat and pants that you can never have that are the ones you always want the most.

You know it's not uncommon for a game to have a 'supporters bundle' that new players can buy to give more support to the devs and give the extra items. Just seems really odd that the devs response is "No, don't give us any more of your money!".
Black Drake 8. mar. 2022 kl. 15:06 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Elegant Caveman:
Cosmetics are content.

Yes, I mean just look at a game like maple story. the main way they earn money is with cosmetics I doubt that they don't count it as content. it's like catching shiny pokemon. you don't need to catch them to finish the game but they can sell them it the form of movie tickets and preorders because they are still content.

I just don't see what the problem with a supporter pack is like what FF15 did where you can buy the sword and other items that were a preorder bonus in a DLC. They did that with FF7 remake too. As someone who bought both as preorders I don't have a problem with it it lets other people enjoy the awesome game that I played.

Ultimately it is up to the game developers how they want to design the game. I'm just going to wait to see if they release something like that before I buy it now. after all there are other games out there and I prefer buying a complete product.
LeBurns 10. mar. 2022 kl. 4:55 
Well I read back through this thread and specifically the responses of the devs and decided to just drop this game off my wishlist and wash my hands of it. The attitude of these devs is just something I'm not willing to deal with now or later over time after release. There are way too many games like this out there for me to invest in one that I can never fully own, so pointless to follow it at all.
REENA 12. mar. 2022 kl. 17:22 
This whole thread is just sad and kinda embarrassing.

To everyone crying over some exclusive items:
Please make sure to uninstall every single game that had exclusive items since you don't want me to call you out for double standards.

Time for you to uninstall games that..

- are or were on prime gaming
- had twitch drops
- have alpha/beta exclusive items
- had pre-purchase exclusive items
- had events and limited/exclusive items

Or maybe you should try to find a new hobby since gaming isn't your thing - especially in 2022.
Elegant Caveman 12. mar. 2022 kl. 17:42 
Oprindeligt skrevet af REENA:
This whole thread is just sad and kinda embarrassing.

To everyone crying over some exclusive items:
Please make sure to uninstall every single game that had exclusive items since you don't want me to call you out for double standards.

Time for you to uninstall games that..

- are or were on prime gaming
- had twitch drops
- have alpha/beta exclusive items
- had pre-purchase exclusive items
- had events and limited/exclusive items

Or maybe you should try to find a new hobby since gaming isn't your thing - especially in 2022.

This is ridiculous.

I backed this game on Kickstarter. I could have gotten the exclusives if I wanted to; I chose not to.

That doesn't change the fact that I disagree on a fundamental level with true exclusivity, and felt the need to bring up the topic.

It also serves as a fair warning to potential future customers.

Plenty of games have time-limited exclusives, something which is especially common for pre-order bonuses.

Why do people defending poor business practices always try to make it a binary, black & white issue? No room for nuance.

And what in the actual ♥♥♥♥ does the year have to do with anything?
Sidst redigeret af Elegant Caveman; 12. mar. 2022 kl. 17:43
Black Drake 12. mar. 2022 kl. 22:42 
Oprindeligt skrevet af REENA:
This whole thread is just sad and kinda embarrassing.

To everyone crying over some exclusive items:
Please make sure to uninstall every single game that had exclusive items since you don't want me to call you out for double standards.

Time for you to uninstall games that..

- are or were on prime gaming
- had twitch drops
- have alpha/beta exclusive items
- had pre-purchase exclusive items
- had events and limited/exclusive items

Or maybe you should try to find a new hobby since gaming isn't your thing - especially in 2022.

I find it a poor statement at best. this is an example so keep that in mind but it is why I am confused why this is even a thing that we have allowed to be in the market in the first place.

If I buy a loaf of bread that has 12 slices in it and later I have to pay the same amount but now they have 7 slices in the same loaf of bread because it was a first time that they sold the bread special promotion I wold think that I wold be a bit upset. This practice is not something that we as consumers should promote.

It's part of the free market I've been a gamer my whole life now since the dos days of gaming and it all started with the DLC in gaming. That was when you could start selling incomplete things at full price because then you could just patch them with a DLC later that people could buy.

Those use to be called patches and we got those for free. But you know the DLCs aren't so bad I know the developers need to be paid for the extra work. No the problem is we get the phone game problem of seasonal draws of characters and the like this is not the same as it was this is how we degrade the market into a cash grab.

I guess the main problem I have is that all it does is hurt later fans of your game. It promotes finishing the game and dropping it because you already made your sales of it from the kickstarter. Because people will find out that their are things that they can't get. Like you say this is 2022 people talk to each-other.

It reminds me of the phone MMOs doing the limited draws as far as forcing you to buy something from this date to whenever. Those are the same thing really if you don't dump money now you don't get X. I'd rather not support that kind of market.

Never really understood those ether you pay someone to make the art/assets and now you don't want money for it. It's like these people trying to get games to sell NFTs. Why wold you want to cap your market. If I sell cookies I'm not going to sell only some cookies and then not sell more then say 1000 of them if people want more of them why wouldn't I sell more of them. (there are some physical reasons this might be, but in the digital space there is literally no reason not to sell another copy of your product.)

But anyway that's some of my reasons for not going with this way of thinking I generally find it makes toxic communities of privileged people. You should try some games from Cyan they sell complete games.
Bartira 29. mar. 2022 kl. 15:50 
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