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Although I have been away some time, I often think of you all and send you my good wishes from Australia!
I really appreciate all your hard work as Community liason, Oliver, and am grateful for you taking the time and effort to write this post!
As one of the original higher-tier backers, I love how you have continued to remain faithful to *your* vision for the world of the Braided Shore: It is a vision that I share, and I know a few other faithful folk on Discord do also. I remain as entranced by the beauty of your vision as I did the first day I saw it on Kickstarter.
I am especially excited by the possibility to record ones' journeys in-game, hopefully in a similar manner to the travel diary of the original real-world "Book of Travels". Unlike many, my real world writing is not the beautiful calligraphy that I think your world warrants. So I hesitated to physically document my travels in my ugly scrawl <wry grin>
Hence the prospect of a beautiful (of course it will be beautiful: I know and trust your work!) way to record my journeys in-game is very exciting.
Moreover: As someone who spent well in excess of 1000 hours between last October (I think) and February this year, most of which was collecting lore items and books from the world... I am thrilled at the prospect of more lore.
In all, you offer a highly tempting prospect to make me want to return! <laugh>
In around my studies and work, I am trying to squeeze some time so I can help more systematically with the new beta. I'll also try to resume being more active in the Discord.
Thankyou all once again!
<Melodically chimes a bell for each of the winds>
<3 <3 <3 <3
I've always heard the playerbase's request for an In-game Journal as a way of saying "Look, we're not asking you for an explicit quest-tracking system -- we get it, that's not how you want to do things. But, could we get a basic text editor available, in the game, that *we* can use to make our own notes? Map pins are of limited utility because they don't travel with you; I could do it on pen and paper but would prefer not to."
The comment here from Joe makes it sound like the plan is instead to develop a system that is not a simple text field, nor a quest tracker -- it "fits between these two" but is not quite either one... It's sketched as a system that (like a traditional quest tracker) automatically "tracks where you have been and if you have seen or heard anything..." etc. *without* manual input from the user, but that (unlike a traditional quest tracker) isn't very explicit.
Am I reading that right, Oliver?
A good point, Genghis Pawn, and thankyou for seeking clarification.
Possibly (with my hopeful thinking) I am reading more into it than was there hehe.
Certainly I quite emphatically would not want a quest tracker!
But one reason that my bags were full of many many hundreds of items when they vanished, was my desire to have a "physical record" of all the written material my character had found.
While I am here: Thankyou, Genghis Pawn, for being such a wonderful community leader so consistently over so many months in the Steam forums for this game!
Your labours are appreciated! <3 :)
I'm not asking for further details about any not-a-text-editor and not-a-quest-tracker "Tracker" that you might be developing. I'm asking only: "Is there any plan to deliver an 'in-game notebook' -- a simple text box that players can type their own notes in, inside the game?"
EDIT: the Travel Journal was a Kickstarter Stretch goal that got unlocked, so there must at least be a plan to develop it for backers, right? I don't think any backers would be upset if it were extended to all players: it was always listed as a reward for the "Traveller" tier and up, which was anyone who pledged enough to get a copy of the game. The question is just: that's happening, right? Go ahead and develop a non-traditional quest tracker if you like, too -- not asking for any info on that.
A book that allows players to write their adventures down in text format that they manage themselves is not the same as a system that tracks what NPCs and places you have visited automatically. The standard request is for a system that says "on day X I met Y NPC who told me to go to place 5 and do these things". This is not the same as an in game "diary" where you write what you want. It is an automated system. The majority of the design we have in mind doesn't even feature text.
No matter how much people ask we will not be showing our full designs until they can be played. Making promises to things and then not delivering to imagined timelines will only back fire on us in the long run. I understand if this frustrates you but as I said in the original post we have not dropped any of the original content and all of this is additional content.
It appears the comment about not dropping any of the kickstarter comment lead you to assume we were dropping an item from kickstarter that has a completely different name and functionality to the object discussed. This is not true.
I don't think it was the kickstarter comment that threw me off, it was this:
If we are now on the same page, then we agree there are 2 completely different things at play here:
- "We hear the frustration about not being able to write down things in the game...."
- "...and [we also hear the frustration about] having no direct quest tracking system"
Right?and we're going to solve that by providing you with a Travel Journal! That has (apparently, we are learning clearly for the first time right now) always been the plan since back in the Kickstarter, and nothing has changed!
and that's a completely separate issue, which we're going to try to address down the road in a way we cannot tell you about right now, no matter how many times you ask.
The reason I asked for clarification about the diary <"Journal"> is (1) we have never until this moment actually heard decisively that an in-game diary <"Journal"> is going to be implemented for all players, and (2) in response to your first post in this thread, players aside from myself were quickly not sure what you were talking about with the "Journey Log" and thought you were talking about a diary/journal (see Suedyin's remarks).
Thanks for the clarification.
Having that thought is what is confusing you. A quest tracker is not a diary. A book you write your own comments in is not a diary - it is a blank book. These distinctions are important as for other reasons not yet revealed a distinction on what is a diary will be important, as recording and revisiting journeys is also important.
So don't refer to either of these two systems as a diary.
One is a blank book you can write what you wish in with art background presented by us (and varying per form or similar). The other automatically tracks and lists where you go, but not as a text system you can use in a way to make it feel like diary entries. Think it more of a map system than a diary.
I think we're agreeing in spirit, but still talking past each other a bit. I got the clarification I was seeking about the "Travel Journal," I'm not trying to press you for additional information about the other automated system that's in development down the road.
Fine if the quest starts with a rare event, or is self-contained by a rare event. But, if it's a later step, there needs to be a hint that you've come to the right place, even if it isn't the right time.
I have no idea what the technical term for such a thing is.
I won't ask too much, since there were some vague hints about death being more than it seems! From my perspective when "permadeath" was removed, it removed a tension. That tension may in fact still be there if theres more than meets the eye I suppose!
I do think I'll wait until the "Sorta return of permadeath" because that sounds like what was lost when there were other issues at the time! Very excited for that! A rough ETA for that feature would be exciting, but I know gamers can be ruthless when timelines aren't met.
For my $0.02 on the journal/diary conversation, I had a piece of paper near my keyboard that I wrote stuff on. I love the lack of hand holding.
Would it be difficult, or against the vision of the game to add something to let us take notes within the game? I'm not sure if I know where my old piece of paper is now that I've been away from the game a while.
One tied to my character that I had to fill myself could be nice!
Thanks for the fantastic response!
Up until now, to my knowledge, there has never been any direct statement from M&D about whether an in-game note-taking journal was going to be implemented for everybody. Back in the KS campaign, it was described, very briefly, as something for backers. Since then, I am not aware of any official communication from M&D that has revisited the topic of a the "Travel Journal" (Steam Announcements, Kickstarter Updates, YouTube videos, etc.). A lot of fans have thought that it was a no-brainer that a journal would be added for everyone, but it's just never been directly confirmed. (That's why, when I suggested that maybe Oliver's OP in this thread was not discussing a Journal, even a player as accomplished as Suedyin was ready to admit that there was still an open question here.)
Joe and I seem to have talked past each other a bit, but from what I understand from his last remarks, what we've heard now is that there is a plan to develop:
The first of these seems to be what you and many others have asked for: a journal you can write in to take notes. Joe can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe we are hearing that this Travel Journal will eventually be available to all players. Not just backers. That's new information.
The second system is one we've just heard a bit about for the first time in this thread. M&D is not prepared to discuss it further at this time.
And M&D would prefer if neither the first "Journal" system nor the second system were referred to as a "Diary."
That's my current understanding, anyway. So, as I understand it: you will eventually get the note-taking system you asked for.