I Really Don't Like Alloy

[Grimalken]

I play it because it's a fun game, but Alloy is such a jerk. She's egotistical, always talking down to people in her sarcastic and condescending way. She's narcissistic, dismissive of anything anyone ever says. I really do not like having to play as her.

[Beat]

Originally posted by Tanikaze:

Originally posted by Beat:

Why is everybody jumping OP like he fkd your mom???

Because he's factually wrong, has been proved over and over yet here is the OP still telling us that he has seen it all. OP has no actual example to support his opinion nor does he try to explain further.

"Aloy is rude to everyone she encounters"
"She is always sarcastic and acts as she knows everything better"

Thats it. Thats all he said basically. He keeps insisting that the Aloy hates everyone and feels above anyone. The very first NPC you meet is getting help by her so theres that. It takes less than 10 minutes into gameplay to prove OP wrong but at this point it simply seems like a troll.

Thats a lot of words to say i disagree with his opinion.

[Tanikaze]

Originally posted by Beat:

Originally posted by Tanikaze:

Because he's factually wrong, has been proved over and over yet here is the OP still telling us that he has seen it all. OP has no actual example to support his opinion nor does he try to explain further.

"Aloy is rude to everyone she encounters"
"She is always sarcastic and acts as she knows everything better"

Thats it. Thats all he said basically. He keeps insisting that the Aloy hates everyone and feels above anyone. The very first NPC you meet is getting help by her so theres that. It takes less than 10 minutes into gameplay to prove OP wrong but at this point it simply seems like a troll.

Thats a lot of words to say i disagree with his opinion.

There is a difference between an opinion and fact; If you say something, you gotta make sure you're able to support what you've said. It is not that he simply dislikes Aloys character. that would be no problem since personal preference differs individually. It is that he claims her to be something she literally is not and this, again, can be proven within 10 minutes into gameplay and expands throughout the entire game.

[Grimalken]

Originally posted by cswiger:

Originally posted by Grimalken:

Aloy was cast out. Rost spent her entire life trying to explain that it was done according to her tribal culture. Aloy never learned how to be noble from Rost.

This is obviously false. Aloy decides to help Teb against Rost's advice in the tutorial, Lessons of the Wild. The very first main quest mission is The Point of the Spear, where Aloy takes on a Sawtooth to help protect the Nora villagers:

"Rost points to a lone Sawtooth still prowling about and Aloy dispatches it on her own.
Rost reveals that the real lesson of the hunt was for Aloy to place importance on the protection of the Nora tribe and their hunting lands, not purely on her own benefit."

Source: https://horizon.fandom.com/wiki/The_Point_of_the_Spear

PS: You've also failed to address my point about the "All Allies Joined" achievement.

Yes, Aloy was a nice person as a child, but as soon as we played her as an adult, she was condescending and disrespectful to everyone, including Rost. I'm not sure what spurred her transformation from a little girl, to that grown up version where she thinks she's automatically better than everyone else.

I did not enjoy playing her character when she slipped into that egotistical, know-it-all version of herself. Sure, there were times she was nice and empathetic to people in need. But mostly she was a self consumed jerk

[Grimalken]

Originally posted by simmery:

Aloy spends pretty much the entirety of Zero Dawn learning, bit by bit, what Rost tried to teach her about helping others, but it's very hard for her. As has been pointed out, her formative years were spent being despised and rejected by a tribe that should have helped her. Even the other tribes frequently treat her in a haughty or dismissive manner because she's a Nora. If she comes across as proud or contemptuous in certain situations, it's helpful to remember that she is a clone of Elisabet Sobeck, who tended to be very intolerant around people who couldn't immediately see a sensible solution to a problem.

I don't think I can simplify her as a "strong female character" showing everyone how they're wrong and she's right in some thinly veiled bid to promote "THE MESSAGE." She can be sarcastic at times. She even literally calls certain characters "idiots." but given what she's been through and what she discovers about who she is, she's far more sociable and compassionate than anyone in her world has a right to expect her to be.

Aloy was raised by Rost. She spent her life with him trying to teach compassion, humility and empathy. Rost was the most humble and kind-hearted, and loyal man, while also being a great and skilled warrior. And yet.... the only thing Aloy learned from him was how to kill machines.

Okay, your take is that she was bitter, but learned to temper this negative side to her personality over time. Aloy was actually more respectful to Nil, than she was to most stranger she met. I just did not like playing a person who was often a condescending jerk, sorry.

[Grimalken]

Originally posted by Tanikaze:

Originally posted by Beat:

Why is everybody jumping OP like he fkd your mom???

Because he's factually wrong, has been proved over and over yet here is the OP still telling us that he has seen it all. OP has no actual example to support his opinion nor does he try to explain further.

"Aloy is rude to everyone she encounters"
"She is always sarcastic and acts as she knows everything better"

Thats it. Thats all he said basically. He keeps insisting that the Aloy hates everyone and feels above anyone. The very first NPC you meet is getting help by her so theres that. It takes less than 10 minutes into gameplay to prove OP wrong but at this point it simply seems like a troll.

I see, so if someone expresses an opinion you disagree with, they are a troll?

Presumably we both played the same game, and yet I saw Aloy use unwarranted sarcasm and condescension against NPCs she'd just met. However, you witnessed the same thing, and thought is was perfectly normal.

I uninstalled the game because Dragon's Dogma 2 came out. I'm not going to spend hours replaying Horizon just to try and justify my views to some rando on a Steam forum.

I think you need to go back and play the game yourself, maybe try to see Aloy from another perspective, without a prejudged, or biased agenda.

What you are asking me to do, is to stop playing my current game. Then reinstall this game, with a notepad at my side. Then jot down Aloy's interactions with NPCs in the game, where she condescends to NPCs who did not deserve it. Then you, presumably, will start a new game and go to that same point in the game, and watch her NPC interaction, and decide if my reaction and opinion have some validity??? That is silly, and it isn't going to happen

[cswiger]

Originally posted by Grimalken:

Originally posted by cswiger:

This is obviously false. Aloy decides to help Teb against Rost's advice in the tutorial, Lessons of the Wild. The very first main quest mission is The Point of the Spear, where Aloy takes on a Sawtooth to help protect the Nora villagers:

"Rost points to a lone Sawtooth still prowling about and Aloy dispatches it on her own.
Rost reveals that the real lesson of the hunt was for Aloy to place importance on the protection of the Nora tribe and their hunting lands, not purely on her own benefit."

Source: https://horizon.fandom.com/wiki/The_Point_of_the_Spear

PS: You've also failed to address my point about the "All Allies Joined" achievement.

Yes, Aloy was a nice person as a child,

No, Aloy was not a nice person as a child. She was an outcast who was rejected by other Nora. She learned that she was not allowed to help gather food with the other children, and that she was not allowed to speak to other Nora (except Rost).

This results in someone who talks out loud to herself, sometimes deliberately to be overheard by others, but does not carry on normal conversations.

...but as soon as we played her as an adult, she was condescending and disrespectful to everyone, including Rost.

Aloy never disrepected Rost. I can only assume that you've never had Aloy visit Rost's grave after he dies saving Aloy during the attack at the proving.

Sure, there were times she was nice and empathetic to people in need. But mostly she was a self consumed jerk

Thanks for acknowledging your claim that Aloy is "always talking down to others" is actually wrong and there is no shortage of times when she is "nice and empathetic to people in need."

The "All Allies Joined" achievement also disproves your claim, which is why you've failed to respond to this point.

[WreckWren]

Originally posted by dcy665:

Let me guess, you don't like any game with a female main character, right?

I don't know who raised you, and don't want to, but she's confident, and is driven to find her Mother. She isn't narcissistic, I am not convinced you know what that word means. Driven, confident people can be irritating if you're expecting women to always be cuddly, and giggle a lot. She ain't like that.

Your option I guess is go play Dark Souls Remastered. You can choose your gender there; Who is completely silent - bonus points!!

I guess we can see why you like her enough to get offended on her behalf then, eh?

I don't think she's a jerk, but apparently you personally identify with that assessment of her.

[comatosedragon]

I like her alright so far. I am still early in the story though. She seems like a very friendly person, not sure where the 'jerk' aspect is coming from, but I don't see that at all.

I really hope the animations (like facial animations) are improved in Forbidden West.

[WATeReD1885]

I wouldn’t categorize Aloy as annoying per se, but Faith from Mirror’s Edge (both versions) is far more likable.

[WATeReD1885]

Originally posted by comatosedragon:

I really hope the animations (like facial animations) are improved in Forbidden West.

I have more fun laughing at the facial expressions than I do playing the game.

[Retrofire]

why assume any critique of her character is inherently misogynistic?

i just felt like dialogue in the game has this FLAT effect in general... including in Alloy. but i'm still loving the game :)

[jakethegreatwhite]

She's a charisma vacuum and i guess you can explain why, what you should be asking is why the devs made you play as such a boring character who lacks flaws with consequences and has no long term human drives(protagonist from control has the same problem), The second game isnt better, just don't play for the California writing, i got it on deep sale and had fun with the gameplay.

[Odanrot]

You know the more i play forbidden west the more im noticing(going to do this without spoilers) that she does seem to have one hell of a hero complex ,where she and only she can save the world ,but the more you learn about Elizabet ,you see a lot of the same thing from her so maybe some of her mannerism 's are coming from Elizabet ,you even see the look of disbelief on the people trying to help her when she is trying to do everything alone. Now that im writing this I see this happening alot in zero dawn as well ,it's intentional and maybe even a good lesson to learn ,that you can't do everything on your own.

[Ivellios]

This Therapist psyco-analyses all interactions in both Horizon Zero Dawn and Forbidden West.

https://www.youtube.com/@DrMick

When you're bashing someone's opinion and throwing the typical ad hominem because you do not have a valid point, do try to be objective and not a white knight simp.

Personalities come in different flavors. It's possible to like 2 different people who hate each other. Some get along with everyone, some get along with no one. Acting like your subjective tolerances are objective that must be adhered by all or they're some buzzword only shows how intolerant and hateful you are.

[Ivellios]

I've come across a short that details this behavior: (not Aloy's but some posters)

Externalizer: Since this person lacks the ability to control their emotions, they try to control the world around them. However this is futile, as happiness not only comes from within, but you cannot control everything around you 100% of the time.

This YouTuber is male and focuses on dating, but it applies to both male and female equally.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ymkf9MBcb0g

In a nutshell a narcissist that's got life set to OCD