Horizon Zero Dawn Ending

[J1NN1E]

SPOILER

I don´t really know how to use the spoiler function for blacking text out , so if anyone could explain I´d appreciate it lol. But this post isn´t about that so I´m gonna move on.



So I just finished the game like 30 minutes ago and there was one thing that confused me a bit and i didn´t see anything about it on Google.
When Aloy is riding to what I assume is Elisabet Sobeck´s home/childhood home and finds her body, there is a scene at the end where it zooms out and we can see that surrounding Elisabets body is a triangle of purple flowers, just like with the metal flowers you can give to a merchant (Is that what they are called in english?) in meridian.

So that means that somehow these metal flowers and Elisabet have something in common or are connected. Does it even have to mean anything special or was it just GAIA showing favoritism to them? (But if so, why the flowers, are they special in any way except for trading?)

Anybody have any ideas or knowledge about this?

[Darkmuninn]

Upon collection, DEMETER's bio states it was the one responsible for dispatching the metal flowers, using them as rapid plant growth and transporting them by large flying machines like the Dreadwing. The poems on the flowers' data were from DEMETER's fascination with old poems around the Greenhouse talking about plant life.

When DEMETER is returned to the base and reconnected with GAIA, Aloy asks if the metal flowers could've helped save the planet if they were not halted on production. GAIA states she ran multiple tests upon learning of the data and concluded from them that even if the metal flowers were successfully dispatched, they wouldn't have worked; the swarm would've quickly hacked through the flower's database and shut it off.

https://horizon.fandom.com/wiki/Metal_Flower

[J1NN1E]

Originally posted by Darkmuninn:

Upon collection, DEMETER's bio states it was the one responsible for dispatching the metal flowers, using them as rapid plant growth and transporting them by large flying machines like the Dreadwing. The poems on the flowers' data were from DEMETER's fascination with old poems around the Greenhouse talking about plant life.

When DEMETER is returned to the base and reconnected with GAIA, Aloy asks if the metal flowers could've helped save the planet if they were not halted on production. GAIA states she ran multiple tests upon learning of the data and concluded from them that even if the metal flowers were successfully dispatched, they wouldn't have worked; the swarm would've quickly hacked through the flower's database and shut it off.

https://horizon.fandom.com/wiki/Metal_Flower

Oh wow I didn´t notice that, thank you! But how come Elisabet is surrounded by flowers in the same way? Did she have something on her that would act like the metal flowers? Maybe that little earth charm that was in her hand?
Or did some info just fly over my head lol.

[dcy665]

Lore suggests GAIA did that, as an homage to her creator and friend.

[Basan™]

Fyi side note: Just quote my post to find out the coding for the black text's function. And that's how I've find out about it, although Steam's forums might have their coding list laying around somewhere... althogh I've known most of mine due to using past forums that also used VBulletin upon their coding.

[J1NN1E]

Originally posted by dcy665:

Lore suggests GAIA did that, as an homage to her creator and friend.

That does sound like the nicest option. Thank you :)

[J1NN1E]

Originally posted by Basan™:

Fyi side note: Just quote my post to find out the coding for the black text's function. And that's how I've find out about it, although Steam's forums might have their coding list laying around somewhere... althogh I've known most of mine due to using past forums that also used VBulletin upon their coding.

Ah I think I see how it works now
Test

Aha! It worked, thank you very much!

[Imo]

I finished the main quest last night and was a bit confused about the ending too because the evil computer has been deleted by Aloy, so how was it possible that a part of that left the ball?!

[J1NN1E]

Originally posted by Imo:

I finished the main quest last night and was a bit confused about the ending too because the evil computer has been deleted by Aloy, so how was it possible that a part of that left the ball?!

I don´t think it was deleted, correct me if I´m wrong but i think HEPHAESTUS was just deactivated or put in sleep-mode I guess. Hence why Sylens was able to collect the AI in his "lantern" to learn more about him and the world of the Old Ones.
I haven´t played Forbidden West yet, since it will come out on pc next year but I believe we will meet with HEPHAESTUS in that game again, I doubt they would have added that scene if it weren´t hinting at something.

edit: spelling mistake

[simmery]

Little spoiler:

She really does delete Hades in Forbidden West. Hephaestus, by the way, is the "villain" in the Frozen Wilds expansion.

[J1NN1E]

Originally posted by simmery:

Little spoiler:

She really does delete Hades in Forbidden West. Hephaestus, by the way, is the "villain" in the Frozen Wilds expansion.

Ah right I mixed them up, I just thought about how it´s Hephaestus´ fault for making the agressive machines in the cauldrons.

[simmery]

Yes, Hephaestus is essentially responsible for the "Derangement" and the development of combat machines.

[Bird_Dog]

Originally posted by simmery:

Yes, Hephaestus is essentially responsible for the "Derangement" and the development of combat machines.

Hephaestus doesn't seem to be the sharpest of GAIA's subroutines.
If I interpreted it correctly, the timeline went about like this:
It got annoyed by humans hunting machines. So it made the machines fight back.
That didn't work. The humans simply alterd their hunting techniques to cope with the resistance.
So Hephaestus made dedicated combat machines to "discurrage" the hunters.
The hunters took this as a challenge - and the injuries and deaths simply as the cost of doing busines as they releyed upon the parts scavenged form machines.
Then Hephaestus, folowing the tried and tested formula of "if the dead horse you are beating isn't twitching enough, you're just not beating it hard enough" just cranked out even meaner combat machines. The hunters obviously took that challenge as well. ect....

[J1NN1E]

Originally posted by Bird_Dog:

Originally posted by simmery:

Yes, Hephaestus is essentially responsible for the "Derangement" and the development of combat machines.

Hephaestus doesn't seem to be the sharpest of GAIA's subroutines.
If I interpreted it correctly, the timeline went about like this:
It got annoyed by humans hunting machines. So it made the machines fight back.
That didn't work. The humans simply alterd their hunting techniques to cope with the resistance.
So Hephaestus made dedicated combat machines to "discurrage" the hunters.
The hunters took this as a challenge - and the injuries and deaths simply as the cost of doing busines as they releyed upon the parts scavenged form machines.
Then Hephaestus, folowing the tried and tested formula of "if the dead horse you are beating isn't twitching enough, you're just not beating it hard enough" just cranked out even meaner combat machines. The hunters obviously took that challenge as well. ect....

Yeah I think that's true, or I understood it the same way at least.
I also believe Hephaestus is not the smartest of the AI because of the main engineer (Is that the right word?) that made it. As far as I remember it was made by that annoying punk rock guy that was constantly fleeing from the government (Forgot his name and please correct me if I am wrong.).

I mean Elisabet chose him for a reason but that guy didn't seem to be the brightest himself.

[Bird_Dog]

Originally posted by J1NN1E:

Yeah I think that's true, or I understood it the same way at least.
I also believe Hephaestus is not the smartest of the AI because of the main engineer (Is that the right word?) that made it. As far as I remember it was made by that annoying punk rock guy that was constantly fleeing from the government (Forgot his name and please correct me if I am wrong.).

I mean Elisabet chose him for a reason but that guy didn't seem to be the brightest himself.

Hepheastus was designed by Margo Shen.

I think you are thinking of Travis Tate who made HADES.
I assume Sobek choose Tate for that job because he was know for thinking outside the box and in subversive ways.

[J1NN1E]

Originally posted by Bird_Dog:

Originally posted by J1NN1E:

Yeah I think that's true, or I understood it the same way at least.
I also believe Hephaestus is not the smartest of the AI because of the main engineer (Is that the right word?) that made it. As far as I remember it was made by that annoying punk rock guy that was constantly fleeing from the government (Forgot his name and please correct me if I am wrong.).

I mean Elisabet chose him for a reason but that guy didn't seem to be the brightest himself.

Hepheastus was designed by Margo Shen.

I think you are thinking of Travis Tate who made HADES.
I assume Sobek choose Tate for that job because he was know for thinking outside the box and in subversive ways.

Ah, you´re right! Thanks for correcting me :)