Plot hole in HZD i cant wrap my head around

[JesterJoe]

Spoilers BTW


So we know GAIA is controlling the machines to rebuild earth. Right up until HADES tries to take over and go planetary annihilation all over again. Which according to GAIA is when the process to birth Aloy is put into motion.

so why is it that the machines are killing humans decades before Gaia is rendered inoperable?

machines which GAIA controls

[Mononymouse]

it was the plague.

[justinjl]

The GAIA/Hephaestus machines are part of the terraforming system and initially only acting in self-defense.

The derangement is Hephaestus machines becoming increasingly aggressive, either to further deter hunting by humans, or lack of overarching direction from GAIA, or combination of both.

None of that really has anything to do with Hades. AFAIK Hephaestus still operates independently of Hades. Though Hades is trying to take control of Hephaestus machines individually via the ancient Faro machines, but not via controlling Hephaestus.

Frozen Wilds Spoiler It might be possible that both Hades and Hephaestus are under influence by whomever sent the signal 20 years ago that set this all in motion.

At least that's my understanding of the situation.

[Just Chill]

I wonder if "the masters[horizon.fandom.com]" are actually alien robots. oO
They shouldn't take too much from Mass Effect. :/

[justinjl]

Messaggio originale di Just Chill:

I wonder if "the masters[horizon.fandom.com]" are actually alien robots. oO
They shouldn't take too much from Mass Effect. :/

Yeah i have wondered the same thing, but i really hope it isn't aliens. Would make the story far less realistic/relatable, and completely undoes the impact of realizing that Humans caused the extinction.

[Adanu]

Messaggio originale di Just Chill:

I wonder if "the masters[horizon.fandom.com]" are actually alien robots. oO
They shouldn't take too much from Mass Effect. :/

Where in the game does Sylens name them?

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Er. As far as I understand it. Gaia lost control of her sub functions when she received a signal that turned those sub functions into advanced AIs. Hades then tried to seize control of the terra forming system in order to reverse its function but Gaia resisted. She opted to destroy Gaia Prime but not before sending an order to the cradle at All Mother to grow Sobeck's clone. Only a clone of Sobeck can access all Zero Dawn facilities and systems. The Derangement started after Gaia was destroyed.

As it is, it's clear all sub functions have become advanced AIs and their locations could be anywhere. Given that Cyan could relocate itself to an auxiliary facility as well, it likely means there are satellites still in operation.

As to who or what sent the signal in the first place, it could be an entity / AI in orbit or somewhere in the solar system. Alien? Maybe. Cyan had said AIs are common in the old world, used in many functions, so it's possible there's a surviving AI that went rogue.

Another possibility is that the Odyssey was not destroyed despite the received telemetry that there was an antimatter explosion when the ship spun up the drive at the heliopause. It could have been crippled and the crew killed. Sobeck indicated her worry that the Apollo on that ship had fewer failsafes. It could have gone rogue. There're a few possibilities regards what could have happened on that ship from this supposition.

[Just Chill]

Messaggio originale di Adanu:

Messaggio originale di Just Chill:

I wonder if "the masters[horizon.fandom.com]" are actually alien robots. oO
They shouldn't take too much from Mass Effect. :/

Where in the game does Sylens name them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg7zc2ewess

"Your masters for example. The ones that sent the signal that woke you."

[Mansen]

Messaggio originale di ccc:

so why is it that the machines are killing humans decades before Gaia is rendered inoperable?

Because they aren't - The "derangement" began when GAIA was hacked and she blew up the mountain.

[Orion Invictus]

This is hypothesized in the DLC by CYAN. The hypothesis goes that HEPHAESTUS, the AI responsible for creating the robots, wants humans to stop hunting them because they're responsible for the keeping the humans alive and the Earth healthy and healing. "The derangement" is a result of that.

[Blackwolfe]

Messaggio originale di Orion:

This is hypothesized in the DLC by CYAN. The hypothesis goes that HEPHAESTUS, the AI responsible for creating the robots, wants humans to stop hunting them because they're responsible for the keeping the humans alive and the Earth healthy and healing. "The derangement" is a result of that.

That's just a hypothesis though. We will probably find out more in the sequel. Can't wait for Horizon Forbidden West.

[Mansen]

It's a sound theory though. Hephaestus made AI based on its base programming? Makes sense it wants to keeps its creations alive, even though they weren't supposed to longterm.

[Blackwolfe]

They did get more aggressive over the years that's true. Even without Hades influence.

[Mansen]

Messaggio originale di Blackwolfe:

They did get more aggressive over the years that's true. Even without Hades influence.

Well... it's more correct to say the same hack that freed Hades, changed Hephaestus.

[Orion Invictus]

Messaggio originale di Blackwolfe:

Messaggio originale di Orion:

This is hypothesized in the DLC by CYAN. The hypothesis goes that HEPHAESTUS, the AI responsible for creating the robots, wants humans to stop hunting them because they're responsible for the keeping the humans alive and the Earth healthy and healing. "The derangement" is a result of that.

That's just a hypothesis though. We will probably find out more in the sequel. Can't wait for Horizon Forbidden West.

It's a very good hypothesis and is the same conclusion I reached when Aloy mentioned they'd been hunting the machines (which never fought back) for a long time.

[Nym™]

I'm also confused about something in the story. Gaia was destroyed before Aloy was created.

Up until that point Gaia was working fine. So then why couldn't she oversee the upbringing of the first generation of humans?

Even without Apollo she would still contain enough knowledge to make sure the first generation of humans do not turn out ignorant savages.

Ok, she's in charge of overseeing the teraforming process but she is also the one regulating ALL of the other subroutines.

So with Apollo erased, and her being a TRUE FREAKING AI capable of EMPATHY and crying about species that were extinct long before humans existed, would she not logically prioritize a more rudimentary education program for the first generation since humans are a key component to the rebuilding of the biome?

The game shows a hologram of teenage first gens being treated by servitors as if they were preschoolers.

Why did Gaia not intervene to mitigate the limits in the servitor intelligence? She was capable of deep thought and human insight.

A critical error in the Apollo system should have triggered some kind of response. Hades going rogue triggered a freaking response and drove Gaia to come up with a solution and clone Sobek.

Why didn't Apollo being erased trigger Gaia to come up with a solution? Like reprogram the servitors expanding their care giving capabilities.

Seems like she wen't all...nah..it'll be fine. I'll just do my own thing while these primitive ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bash each other's brains in and worship metal doors in caves.

So if there's a plot hole, for me this is it. Can anyone explain this to me? Maybe I'm not seeing the whole picture.