Can't immerse in this world due to it's postmodernism.

[Zekkah]

The tribes have no ethnical identity whatsoever, then Aloy gets called a foreigner as soon as she steps in a village, even though she looks exactly like them, even the clothes. The only picture I can form out of this world is of New Yorkers dressed for halloween playing a more elaborated version of children's house game. Can't take this seriously. Just doesn't feel like something that could be real.

Gameplay is good though.

[life is dank]

There are actually reasons for it explained including why everyone on earth shares a common language BUT that would spoil the game's plot for you, not just in this game, but the sequel as well :/

[Aachen]

How’d you miss the ethnic variety of the game’s peoples? The differences aren’t terribly subtle.

[Seamus]

Low tier bait.

[Zekkah]

Originally posted by Aachen:

How’s you miss the ethnic variety of the game’s peoples? The differences aren’t terribly subtle.

I started my OP with the observation that the tribes have no ethnical identity. That's what I meant. They all have the same diverse demographics of europeans, middle easterners, blacks and asians, then comes white girl and they all say "Look, a foreigner! I hope you don't stay for too long".

[Banzai]

Originally posted by jose_silveira20:

I started my OP with the observation that the tribes have no ethnical identity. That's what I meant. They all have the same diverse demographics of europeans, middle easterners, blacks and asians, then comes white girl and they all say "Look, a foreigner! I hope you don't stay for too long".

You need to travel more. Locals can spot someone from out of town a mile away for many reasons other than skin color or even clothing.

[SniperGirl]

This is a troll post

[countgrey]

You're conflating "race" with "ethnic diversity." Ethnicity is defined as "an ethnic group or an ethnicity is a grouping of people who identify with each other on the basis of shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups." As such, an ethnic group can be defined by more than simply having the same skin tone. Relying on stereotypes that equate race to ethnicity is a good way to show how much you still have to learn about the world.

In Aloy's case, the game is programmed to assume that she's walking around in very distinctive clothing that is unique to the Nora tribe (regardless of which armor set she's actually wearing, unless it's a plot-specific armor worn as a disguise), which is famously isolationist. As such, people go "hey, that girl is wearing really weird clothes, she's obviously a stranger." Skin tone matters much less in the world of HZD due to story reasons that I won't spoil here.

[Zekkah]

Originally posted by Banzai:

Originally posted by jose_silveira20:

I started my OP with the observation that the tribes have no ethnical identity. That's what I meant. They all have the same diverse demographics of europeans, middle easterners, blacks and asians, then comes white girl and they all say "Look, a foreigner! I hope you don't stay for too long".

You need to travel more. Locals can spot someone from out of town a mile away for many reasons other than skin color or even clothing.

The only thing I can think of is a remote rural community with few people where everyone knows everyone. Another could be accent, but you can't talk to someone from a mile away.

Originally posted by SniperGirl:

This is a troll post

Accusing someone of trolling for no reason is trolling.

Originally posted by countgrey:

You're conflating "race" with "ethnic diversity." Ethnicity is defined as "an ethnic group or an ethnicity is a grouping of people who identify with each other on the basis of shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups." As such, an ethnic group can be defined by more than simply having the same skin tone. Relying on stereotypes that equate race to ethnicity is a good way to show how much you still have to learn about the world.

In Aloy's case, the game is programmed to assume that she's walking around in very distinctive clothing that is unique to the Nora tribe (regardless of which armor set she's actually wearing, unless it's a plot-specific armor worn as a disguise), which is famously isolationist. As such, people go "hey, that girl is wearing really weird clothes, she's obviously a stranger." Skin tone matters much less in the world of HZD due to story reasons that I won't spoil here.

It's not possible for a group of people to segregate themselves for any reason and not have it affect their race. With time, miscegenation would occur and end up becoming a single race if it would happen with the racial diversity in this game. And the racial diversity in this game shows that there's no long term connection between members of the same tribe if they are so different from one another, yet they behave as if they have a hinduist caste system. Hence, this game's world can only be perceived as theatrical.

[life is dank]

Like it was said, further into the story you will learn why races are diverse and in the forbidden west game you will learn why everyone on earth speaks american english.

[countgrey]

Originally posted by jose_silveira20:

Originally posted by Banzai:

You need to travel more. Locals can spot someone from out of town a mile away for many reasons other than skin color or even clothing.

The only thing I can think of is a remote rural community with few people where everyone knows everyone. Another could be accent, but you can't talk to someone from a mile away.

This logic shows that you're stuck thinking about modern times, or at least post-industrial. HZD takes place where mass produced clothes aren't a thing, so each tribe has their own specialties when it comes to garments. For example, people can differentiate between Native American tribes based purely on their outfits. Notably, in reality that type of knowledge is fairly specialized, but in the world of HZD the differences are quite noticeable and culturally relevant, so everyone is at least capable of figuring out that someone id not wearing local clothing.

Originally posted by jose_silveira20:

Originally posted by countgrey:

You're conflating "race" with "ethnic diversity." Ethnicity is defined as "an ethnic group or an ethnicity is a grouping of people who identify with each other on the basis of shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups." As such, an ethnic group can be defined by more than simply having the same skin tone. Relying on stereotypes that equate race to ethnicity is a good way to show how much you still have to learn about the world.

In Aloy's case, the game is programmed to assume that she's walking around in very distinctive clothing that is unique to the Nora tribe (regardless of which armor set she's actually wearing, unless it's a plot-specific armor worn as a disguise), which is famously isolationist. As such, people go "hey, that girl is wearing really weird clothes, she's obviously a stranger." Skin tone matters much less in the world of HZD due to story reasons that I won't spoil here.

It's not possible for a group of people to segregate themselves for any reason and not have it affect their race. With time, miscegenation would occur and end up becoming a single race if it would happen with the racial diversity in this game. And the racial diversity in this game shows that there's no long term connection between members of the same tribe if they are so different from one another, yet they behave as if they have a hinduist caste system. Hence, this game's world can only be perceived as theatrical.

You're making several assumptions while missing critical information which is revealed to you later in the story. Based on your achievement history, it is clear that you haven't gotten there yet. So here's what I can tell you, without spoiling things:

First, you're assuming that there are no customs for admitting fresh blood into the various tribes. Second, you're also assuming that everyone will look the exact same after generations of mixing, despite the fact that limited resources have forced the various tribes to greatly slow down their rate of reproduction, which in turn slows down the mixing. This also overlaps with the third issue, which is that you've misunderstood how genetics work. For example, if two mixed parents have two kids, one kid might look way lighter and the other kid might look way darker. Skin tone isn't like mixing paint - it's far more complex.

[Zekkah]

Originally posted by countgrey:

This logic shows that you're stuck thinking about modern times, or at least post-industrial. HZD takes place where mass produced clothes aren't a thing, so each tribe has their own specialties when it comes to garments. For example, people can differentiate between Native American tribes based purely on their outfits. Notably, in reality that type of knowledge is fairly specialized, but in the world of HZD the differences are quite noticeable and culturally relevant, so everyone is at least capable of figuring out that someone id not wearing local clothing.

I was responding specifically to the other user who was talking about the real world, and you're talking about me being the one thinking in line with post-industrial times when this game's world is exactly a product of those times. I even labeled it postmodernism in the title, which is characterized by atomization/lack of form and relativism.

Originally posted by countgrey:

You're making several assumptions while missing critical information which is revealed to you later in the story. Based on your achievement history, it is clear that you haven't gotten there yet. So here's what I can tell you, without spoiling things:

The information revealed in the game is irrelevant. The circumstances that would lead to these societies being formed the way they are, are near impossible in the real world, and that's the whole point of my thread.

Originally posted by countgrey:

First, you're assuming that there are no customs for admitting fresh blood into the various tribes.

No, I'm assuming that for a tribe with it's own identity to form would have to segregate themselves to a certain degree. Your own point about them having their own knowledge about producing different types of clothes even supports this, because, if there is a constant flux of strangers being introduced to the tribe, then they would bring there own knowledge from the previous tribe with them, so no tribe could have it's own exclusive knowledge of anything.

Originally posted by countgrey:

Second, you're also assuming that everyone will look the exact same after generations of mixing, despite the fact that limited resources have forced the various tribes to greatly slow down their rate of reproduction, which in turn slows down the mixing.

You are categorically confusing quantity with quality. Limited resources or not, their offspring would be half-breeds. It they stopped reproducing altogether, they wouldn't exist.

Originally posted by countgrey:

This also overlaps with the third issue, which is that you've misunderstood how genetics work. For example, if two mixed parents have two kids, one kid might look way lighter and the other kid might look way darker. Skin tone isn't like mixing paint - it's far more complex.

After a long time that would make no difference, and race is more than just skin tone. Besides, the people in this game are all purebred.

[1970. Gen X >:)]

Originally posted by jose_silveira20:

Originally posted by countgrey:

This logic shows that you're stuck thinking about modern times, or at least post-industrial. HZD takes place where mass produced clothes aren't a thing, so each tribe has their own specialties when it comes to garments. For example, people can differentiate between Native American tribes based purely on their outfits. Notably, in reality that type of knowledge is fairly specialized, but in the world of HZD the differences are quite noticeable and culturally relevant, so everyone is at least capable of figuring out that someone id not wearing local clothing.

I was responding specifically to the other user who was talking about the real world, and you're talking about me being the one thinking in line with post-industrial times when this game's world is exactly a product of those times. I even labeled it postmodernism in the title, which is characterized by atomization/lack of form and relativism.

Originally posted by countgrey:

You're making several assumptions while missing critical information which is revealed to you later in the story. Based on your achievement history, it is clear that you haven't gotten there yet. So here's what I can tell you, without spoiling things:

The information revealed in the game is irrelevant. The circumstances that would lead to these societies being formed the way they are, are near impossible in the real world, and that's the whole point of my thread.

Originally posted by countgrey:

First, you're assuming that there are no customs for admitting fresh blood into the various tribes.

No, I'm assuming that for a tribe with it's own identity to form would have to segregate themselves to a certain degree. Your own point about them having their own knowledge about producing different types of clothes even supports this, because, if there is a constant flux of strangers being introduced to the tribe, then they would bring there own knowledge from the previous tribe with them, so no tribe could have it's own exclusive knowledge of anything.

Originally posted by countgrey:

Second, you're also assuming that everyone will look the exact same after generations of mixing, despite the fact that limited resources have forced the various tribes to greatly slow down their rate of reproduction, which in turn slows down the mixing.

You are categorically confusing quantity with quality. Limited resources or not, their offspring would be half-breeds. It they stopped reproducing altogether, they wouldn't exist.

Originally posted by countgrey:

This also overlaps with the third issue, which is that you've misunderstood how genetics work. For example, if two mixed parents have two kids, one kid might look way lighter and the other kid might look way darker. Skin tone isn't like mixing paint - it's far more complex.

After a long time that would make no difference, and race is more than just skin tone. Besides, the people in this game are all purebred.

hmmmm. i read all of that. had a coffee and thought to myself what my thought was when i was playing it. i thought.... all white people. all look the same. couldn't figure out whites hating on the little white girl. played about an hour more thought the game was meh. hadn't played since. So id have to say, No the game did not give me the feeling of.. hm... equality in representation. or ethnic diversity.
it wasnt skin tone it was just lack of diversity. all the characters looked like, vikings or some other euro race.
But what do I know, Im just some old 50 plus gamer.

[countgrey]

Originally posted by jose_silveira20:

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Bro, it's a video game where you're fighting robot dinosaurs with a spear. If you're going to demand full immersion without suspension of disbelief, then you're guaranteed to not like this game. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

Either play the game more or read the wiki so you understand the events that shaped the world of HZD, or give up on it. Either way, it'll save all of us time.

[SniperGirl]

Originally posted by jose_silveira20:

Originally posted by SniperGirl:

This is a troll post

Accusing someone of trolling for no reason is trolling.

The use of the word "postmodernism" is a big clue you will debate any response to your post and it is even more clear as others post replies and your response to those replies.

From the start you were looking for a fight in the forum.

[Zekkah]

Originally posted by countgrey:

Bro, it's a video game where you're fighting robot dinosaurs with a spear. If you're going to demand full immersion without suspension of disbelief, then you're guaranteed to not like this game. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

Either play the game more or read the wiki so you understand the events that shaped the world of HZD, or give up on it. Either way, it'll save all of us time.

I'm still playing the game and enjoying it, just can't take this world seriously, and the science fiction side of it ain't the problem. The spear is a technological wonder made of the same material as the robots, not a regular one, so it makes sense, but the humans societies created for this game are biologically too detached from real ones to make it believable.

Originally posted by SniperGirl:

The use of the word "postmodernism" is a big clue you will debate any response to your post and it is even more clear as others post replies and your response to those replies.

From the start you were looking for a fight in the forum.

No aggression whatsoever from me. Your reaction is of someone who lost the argument. This is your first post, but you don't agree with me, and you're playing games to stay above me in some way.

Why would describing it scientifically as postmodernism be aggressive? It's exactly what it is.