Horizon Zero Dawn™ Complete Edition

Horizon Zero Dawn™ Complete Edition

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benjy 2022 年 1 月 2 日 下午 7:37
Is it okay to do first run in Ultra Hard?
Was wondering if I should play this on VH or UH. I'll be playing on mouse and keyboard.
For reference I have finished all the Dark Souls games, Sekiro, Doom on Nightmare, Witcher 3 on hardest diff and I am immortal 3 in Valorant (yes I know some of these references are a bit random).
Do you think I'll be okay on UH mode on my first run, or should I stick with VH?
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RippieFlippie 2022 年 1 月 4 日 上午 2:17 
引用自 acowsik
now, why would I do that?

I had clearly mentioned I had beaten NG on UH with 100% completion... so much for your "elite" brain to not even notice that and you call yourself an elite gamer... what a joke :steamfacepalm:
no you did not.
You confuse a lot. The 'Elite Gamer' joke post is from another user, it's :-:, not me
acowsik 2022 年 1 月 4 日 上午 2:21 
引用自 acowsik

I had clearly mentioned I had beaten NG on UH with 100% completion... so much for your "elite" brain to not even notice that and you call yourself an elite gamer... what a joke :steamfacepalm:
no you did not.
You confuse a lot. The 'Elite Gamer' joke post is from another user, it's :-:, not me

引用自 acowsik
引用自 Laptop
Unless you really want to punish yourself and get one-shotted constantly, I'd recommend "Very Hard" and then "Ultra Hard" on the NG+ cycle.

How abt the fact that I have 100% stat completion on Ultra Hard New Game for both main game and Frozen Wilds DLC. The pride of being able to conquer the game on Ultra Hard on very first attempt is something else...

You are indeed either blind or want to be a completely ignorant jerk... is that not clear enough???????
最後修改者:acowsik; 2022 年 1 月 4 日 上午 2:22
Atomsk 2022 年 1 月 4 日 上午 2:24 
引用自 acowsik

Changing difficulty totally defeats the purpose of being able to overcome the challenge. Once that is done, the fact of "beating New Game on Ultra Hard" doesn't have any merit. You either accept the fact that you cannot tackle Ultra Hard or you persist and come out on top the hard way.

I really don't give a ♥♥♥♥ one way or another how someone else chooses to play a game. The fact is the difficulty slider is there because this game is designed to accommodate every person regardless of how skilled they are. It's also impossible to tell which difficulty will suit which person because Horizon is a relativity new IP. UH could mean anything from impossible to moderately strenuous. The only way to find out is to start it and the slider is there for people who want to progress more then they want to be challenged by UH settings. No water off my back, more power to them. Even more so since it's a single player game.

Not to mention there's a grace period for difficulty sliders. Anything within like 30-40 minutes, as far as Horizon is concerned, is fair game. Basically right outside the Embrace, and before the proving, when you're running around fighting Watchers and Striders.

Just because the challenge is fun to us doesn't mean it's for everybody.
acowsik 2022 年 1 月 4 日 上午 2:27 
引用自 Atomsk
引用自 acowsik

Changing difficulty totally defeats the purpose of being able to overcome the challenge. Once that is done, the fact of "beating New Game on Ultra Hard" doesn't have any merit. You either accept the fact that you cannot tackle Ultra Hard or you persist and come out on top the hard way.

I really don't give a ♥♥♥♥ one way or another how someone else chooses to play a game. The fact is the difficulty slider is there because this game is designed to accommodate every person regardless of how skilled they are. It's also impossible to tell which difficulty will suit which person because Horizon is a relativity new IP. UH could mean anything from impossible to moderately strenuous. The only way to find out is to start it and the slider is there for people who want to progress more then they want to be challenged by UH settings. No water off my back, more power to them. Even more so since it's a single player game.

Not to mention there's a grace period for difficulty sliders. Anything within like 30-40 minutes, as far as Horizon is concerned, is fair game. Basically right outside the Embrace, and before the proving, when you're running around fighting Watchers and Striders.

Just because the challenge is fun to us doesn't mean it's for everybody.

The purpose of my point on a New Game run was that if you lowered difficulty from Ultra Hard at any point and then switched it back, you cannot claim that you beat New Game on Ultra Hard. If someone finds it too hard and wants to scale it down, its their choice and thats fine with me. Just don't make a false claim about beating it on Ultra Hard when the difficulty was not sustained from start to finish.

A perfect example of this is Mafia Definitive Edition's Made Man achievement where you have to beat the game on Classic difficulty. There are 2 really difficult parts which people seem to struggle with and end up lowering difficulty just for that. The moment you change difficulty, the achievement is voided and will not unlock even if you switch it back to Classic the rest of the time and finish the story.
最後修改者:acowsik; 2022 年 1 月 4 日 上午 2:51
Lord Of War 2022 年 1 月 4 日 下午 12:41 
引用自 acowsik
A perfect example of this is Mafia Definitive Edition's Made Man achievement where you have to beat the game on Classic difficulty.

Oh, done that too on my first play! Can I brag a bit that I never player original Mafia, yet completed that famous race within 1hr attempt XD
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Ahem, ok, back to highest difficulties... Mafia and Horizon are lame in terms of changes of their highest difficulty. Looking behind now, I realize that I wanted more. Explaining.

Take Batman series for example. Its games also had NG+ achievement. What differs that from HZD? Minimal HUD info i.e. enemies blue/red attack signs, which were on the first play, aren't there.

Another example is Call of Juarez Gunslinger. Its True West difficulty removes all HUD, including crosshair. No aim aid with revolver gun fights! Isn't that a challenge we wanted in HZD?
Imagine a proper NG+ difficulty where Aloy has no crosshair at all! No warnings (?) (!) (✪) when machines attack. All HZD NG+ does is boosts enemies health and damage. Meh.
acowsik 2022 年 1 月 4 日 下午 8:01 
引用自 Lord Of War
引用自 acowsik
A perfect example of this is Mafia Definitive Edition's Made Man achievement where you have to beat the game on Classic difficulty.

Oh, done that too on my first play! Can I brag a bit that I never player original Mafia, yet completed that famous race within 1hr attempt XD
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Ahem, ok, back to highest difficulties... Mafia and Horizon are lame in terms of changes of their highest difficulty. Looking behind now, I realize that I wanted more. Explaining.

Take Batman series for example. Its games also had NG+ achievement. What differs that from HZD? Minimal HUD info i.e. enemies blue/red attack signs, which were on the first play, aren't there.

Another example is Call of Juarez Gunslinger. Its True West difficulty removes all HUD, including crosshair. No aim aid with revolver gun fights! Isn't that a challenge we wanted in HZD?
Imagine a proper NG+ difficulty where Aloy has no crosshair at all! No warnings (?) (!) (✪) when machines attack. All HZD NG+ does is boosts enemies health and damage. Meh.

I dont think there is any difference between NG UH and NG+ UH as far as the enemies are concerned. Its just far easier for the player on NG+
RippieFlippie 2022 年 1 月 5 日 上午 6:10 
引用自 Lord Of War
Its True West difficulty removes all HUD, including crosshair. No aim aid with revolver gun fights! Isn't that a challenge we wanted in HZD?
Imagine a proper NG+ difficulty where Aloy has no crosshair at all! No warnings (?) (!) (✪) when machines attack. All HZD NG+ does is boosts enemies health and damage. Meh.

That's how I did HZD on UH on NG actually, no HUD at all, except cross hair. People should take this into account for bragging rights.
So yes, I switched to lower difficulties for boss fights, but ALL the rest was on UH without HUD!
I believe this ranks me higher than those 'indicator kiddies'...uh oh...machine has seen me, look at the indicator...uh oh...health of machine is almost zero....thank you for telling me, indicator. Just pathetic :steamfacepalm:
acowsik 2022 年 1 月 5 日 上午 6:52 
引用自 Lord Of War
Its True West difficulty removes all HUD, including crosshair. No aim aid with revolver gun fights! Isn't that a challenge we wanted in HZD?
Imagine a proper NG+ difficulty where Aloy has no crosshair at all! No warnings (?) (!) (✪) when machines attack. All HZD NG+ does is boosts enemies health and damage. Meh.

That's how I did HZD on UH on NG actually, no HUD at all, except cross hair. People should take this into account for bragging rights.
So yes, I switched to lower difficulties for boss fights, but ALL the rest was on UH without HUD!
I believe this ranks me higher than those 'indicator kiddies'...uh oh...machine has seen me, look at the indicator...uh oh...health of machine is almost zero....thank you for telling me, indicator. Just pathetic :steamfacepalm:

The fact that you switched difficulty indicates that you failed the UH challenge. Plain and simple. And on UH you dont see any health bars for enemies even with HUD.
最後修改者:acowsik; 2022 年 1 月 5 日 上午 6:58
Žviks 2022 年 1 月 5 日 上午 7:43 
引用自 Lord Of War
Its True West difficulty removes all HUD, including crosshair. No aim aid with revolver gun fights! Isn't that a challenge we wanted in HZD?
Imagine a proper NG+ difficulty where Aloy has no crosshair at all! No warnings (?) (!) (✪) when machines attack. All HZD NG+ does is boosts enemies health and damage. Meh.

That's how I did HZD on UH on NG actually, no HUD at all, except cross hair. People should take this into account for bragging rights.
So yes, I switched to lower difficulties for boss fights, but ALL the rest was on UH without HUD!
Wait, you are bragging about no HUD UH while you lowered the difficulty where UH is actually hard? Not sure if serious or a joke....
acowsik 2022 年 1 月 5 日 上午 7:47 
引用自 Lord Cacodemon

That's how I did HZD on UH on NG actually, no HUD at all, except cross hair. People should take this into account for bragging rights.
So yes, I switched to lower difficulties for boss fights, but ALL the rest was on UH without HUD!
Wait, you are bragging about no HUD UH while you lowered the difficulty where UH is actually hard? Not sure if serious or a joke....

Touche :steamhappy:
最後修改者:acowsik; 2022 年 1 月 5 日 上午 7:48
NairBoT 2022 年 1 月 6 日 上午 6:56 
...and of course these people playing UH on NG could always make other adjustments to increase difficulty since nothing is ever too hard. lol

To increase difficulty beyond UH on New Game,
Don't spend skill points. Just let them accumulate.
Don't wear any armor that increase stats or allow for mods
Don't attach mods to weapons or armor.
Don't use crafting to upgrade satchels
Don't upgrade the spear to override more machines

Don't purchase maps at merchants
Don't override machines to ride
Don't use fast travel

what else?
最後修改者:NairBoT; 2022 年 1 月 6 日 上午 7:10
Muerte 2022 年 1 月 6 日 上午 7:06 
引用自 nairB
...and of course these people playing UH on NG could always make other adjustments to increase difficulty since nothing is ever too hard. lol

To increase difficulty beyond UH on New Game,
Don't spend skill points. Just let them accumulate.
Don't wear any armor that increase stats or allow for mods
Don't attach mods to weapons or armor.
Don't use crafting to upgrade satchels
Don't upgrade the spear to override more machines
Don't override machines to ride
Don't use fast travel

what else?
Don't crouch
NairBoT 2022 年 1 月 6 日 上午 7:10 
引用自 I C U
引用自 nairB
...and of course these people playing UH on NG could always make other adjustments to increase difficulty since nothing is ever too hard. lol

To increase difficulty beyond UH on New Game,
Don't spend skill points. Just let them accumulate.
Don't wear any armor that increase stats or allow for mods
Don't attach mods to weapons or armor.
Don't use crafting to upgrade satchels
Don't upgrade the spear to override more machines
Don't override machines to ride
Don't use fast travel

what else?
Don't crouch

lol nice!

The "I didn't crouch one time in a playthrough" Achievement. lol

Only craft one arrow at a time.
Max ammo is 1.
最後修改者:NairBoT; 2022 年 1 月 6 日 上午 7:29
acowsik 2022 年 1 月 6 日 上午 8:04 
You can choose to enhance the challenge as you please (kudos if you can do it with additional handicaps) but the baseline is difficulty on a NG run must be Ultra Hard right from start to finish and CANNOT BE LOWERED AT ANY POINT.

For the very first time playing the game straight on UH, you definitely do not want to add extra handicaps unless you have already played through the entire thing and know every quest inside out.
Grizzly UK 2022 年 1 月 6 日 下午 7:04 
引用自 nairB
...and of course these people playing UH on NG could always make other adjustments to increase difficulty since nothing is ever too hard. lol

To increase difficulty beyond UH on New Game,
Don't spend skill points. Just let them accumulate.
Don't wear any armor that increase stats or allow for mods
Don't attach mods to weapons or armor.
Don't use crafting to upgrade satchels
Don't upgrade the spear to override more machines

Don't purchase maps at merchants
Don't override machines to ride
Don't use fast travel

what else?
Er, "Don't upgrade the spear to override more machines" is pretty much unavoidable, you automatically learn to override more machines when completing Cauldrons, plus it's required that you are able to override certain machines at one of the Hunting Grounds. Nothing wrong with creating challenges for yourself, but it seems a bit silly to challenge yourself with something that would mean you'd have to miss some parts of the game!
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