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Ancient Lich (已封鎖) 2021 年 5 月 4 日 上午 6:29
Where are the white people in this game?
Are Rost and Aloy and *maybe* the Oseram siblings only the caucasian people in the game?
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Ancient Lich (已封鎖) 2021 年 5 月 7 日 上午 7:37 
引用自 TRASH
Why would you be so keen to put labels on people?

With all the bad rap it gets, I think putting labels on people is a good way of making sense of people and of the world. This is a skill that would make you determine who to trust and who to avoid in this life. Now the level of skill in how people determine who is labeled where tend to vary. Some do a bad job at it and so they mislabel people and put them in the wrong boxes so to speak and so this becomes a detriment to them and the people they wrongly label. However, if we do away with labeling people altogether, a time may come where people will just blindly walk into people's traps because they couldn't or have deliberately muted their sense of danger.

This is how I felt with some of the characters in the game. One for example is Vanasha. When the quest was first introduced, her entire operation stank like sulfur from hell with all the unnecessary secrecy. And to think she already knew who Aloy was and still felt she needed to play Cloak and Dagger with her. And through the entire questline she was arrogant and disrespectful to Aloy, always referring to her as "little huntress". I don't know how women interact with each other without the presence of men but if say the genders were reversed and a man goes up to another man to ask for assistance, specifically with his hunting skill and that man calls the other "little hunter" all the time? Dude, you're in for a brawl.

I understand that people are complicated creatures. Light and Dark, Yin and Yang, Jedi and Sith. Nobody's perfect. This is why despite her conceited attitude towards Aloy and towards Uthid whom she belittles in the in-game dialogue, the game presents her as somebody working ultimately for the good, hence the Royal rescue mission. This is excluding not paying that old man she contracted for the escape. So, if the intent of the writers was to present this kind of complexity in people, then Aloy should have been given a chance to dislike her in the dialogue section. But she doesn't. It is my suspicion, that the writers intended for her to be cool and sassy and be liked by the player with all her mysterious baddass attitude rather than be seen as a flawed individual with good and bad traits in her.

Characters like Vanasha can be found scattered through the open world of HZD. Insufferable people (who happen to be women) who are either heroes or victims, never villains. It's just frustrating because despite its excellent writing, where many characters almost felt like real people, there are these characters whom the game forces you to like but really seem like they were hand-placed there by a certain political faction from your beloved United States of America.
snuggleform 2021 年 5 月 7 日 上午 10:30 
In fact all of the characters male and female, are flawed in various ways, but in such a world that is surely as they ought to be.

What are the character flaws of the females? Aloy, Elisabet, Gaia, etc.
valera-wrx 2021 年 5 月 7 日 下午 4:36 
this is woke game, what do you expected
fanfic denying thousands years of human history and society development and replacing it with bizzare idea of one woman
valera-wrx 2021 年 5 月 7 日 下午 4:41 
Thing is that wokes cant win naturally, just because SJW ideas are against human nature. But game presents scenario where human nature is destroyed, and then clones, carefully picked up from selected individuals rebuilt Earth - thats why there are no definitive races or definitive genders in HZD, everybody is mixed, feminine men, masculine women etc. Though it seems without help of one of the bearer of original evolutional code, they are helpless.
juliejayne 2021 年 5 月 8 日 上午 12:24 
引用自 snuggleform
In fact all of the characters male and female, are flawed in various ways, but in such a world that is surely as they ought to be.

What are the character flaws of the females? Aloy, Elisabet, Gaia, etc.
Gaia, unless I missed something later in the game is an AI
Elisabet, the inventor of Zero Dawn? To think that you can outdo nature itself. To think that humans are worth saving... child of her time I suppose.
Aloy, male of female the Aloy character has to be a fighter for the game to work. But she has very little compassion, happily killing machine and human. The game wouldn't work without that, but it makes her character-wise a pretty cold personality.
snuggleform 2021 年 5 月 8 日 上午 1:00 
Those aren't flaws. Elisabet never thought she could outdo nature, and she never thought that only humans were worth saving, she was saving life itself. You have failed to demonstrate that the women in this game have character flaws. Notice the etc as well you have a lot of women to go through, not just those 3. And you can't dismiss Gaia either, she has a personality that can reasonably be described as a female human being.
Ancient Lich (已封鎖) 2021 年 5 月 8 日 上午 7:19 
引用自 C♄eese
A thread for narcissism, labelling crap that don't need labelling, the game was never made to pander to you personally, if you dislike the game, don't play it.

The game is telling a story.

Many people you will find fall into this kind of story because that is naturally who they are.
You will also fall into place naturally once you have been knocked into place by your own personal battles, everyone has them. Karma.

Sick of this overly woke SJW tripe, it is not logical, it is not smart, it is toxic in it's use and you are merely brainwashing yourself and others by doing this.

You being such an OCD narcissistic person use people for your own gain by labelling and picking fault by your own perception of reality when you are far from reality mentally.
This is how you try to gain in life, no we will not stand for it and no you will grow up and grow as a human, if not someday you will be forced to, time cannot be defeated.

Everything okay there, bud?
Ancient Lich (已封鎖) 2021 年 5 月 8 日 上午 8:43 
引用自 C♄eese
引用自 General Rambo

Everything okay there, bud?
Ask yourself the same question.

I did. yeah, I'm cool (y)
Ancient Lich (已封鎖) 2021 年 5 月 8 日 上午 9:00 
引用自 C♄eese
引用自 General Rambo

I did. yeah, I'm cool (y)
You think your mindset is healthy?

Well, I hope it is. I try to keep it healthy as much as I can by balancing my opinions as much as possible. Is your mindset healthy?
Ancient Lich (已封鎖) 2021 年 5 月 8 日 上午 9:31 
引用自 C♄eese
引用自 General Rambo

Well, I hope it is. I try to keep it healthy as much as I can by balancing my opinions as much as possible. Is your mindset healthy?

Considering your OP here is about race and making the game seem racial, no you are not healthy.

I was merely asking where the white people are. What's wrong about that? And did you realize I never talked about race in the comments that followed? Also, you never seem to answer any of my questions. Why are you so dodgy? Are you really okay? You seem to be making a lot of accusations. I don't even know to whom your first comment is for. Is that for me?
ESOS 2021 年 5 月 8 日 上午 9:38 
Man just delete this thread already, it's waste of time you keep answering their comments.
Your title is already talked about race so don't blame people for giving you negative comments.
Ancient Lich (已封鎖) 2021 年 5 月 8 日 上午 9:42 
引用自 Esos
Man just delete this thread already, it's waste of time you keep answering their comments.
Your title is already talked about race so don't blame people for giving you negative comments.

Delete this thread? Stop answering to comments? Oh yeah? Make me.
dcaldwell1026 2021 年 5 月 8 日 下午 12:10 
引用自 snuggleform
I have no problem with women moments, but when it comes at the expense of men with no counter-balance then it becomes propaganda for feminism.

So are you implying that the majority games have just been "meninism" propaganda? Or is this just a typical one-sided false equivalency? I mean, most games in this genre (most genres honestly) are purely "men" moments with absolutely zero balance.

The entire term "women moments" assumes that the norm is "men moments" and women should be considered the outlier. Why is it that males are the considered the norm and women are only allowed moments if they don't interfere with the man's prerogative, even when the story is supposed to be about a women?


Do you also rail against the hundreds of AAA men-centric titles every year or only against women specifically?
Nomadski 2021 年 5 月 8 日 下午 2:15 
I just feel the game is trying WAY too hard to check some boxes with certain people.
Dixa1 2021 年 5 月 8 日 下午 2:33 
the game is based on native american society. i suggest you educate yourselves a little. and no, they won't be very white just as the native americans were not. europeans were white due to their lands being overcast for most of the year. introduce a peoples into a land that is sunny for most of the year and have them work and live outdoors and they will over time darken. it's natural and has nothing to do with culture. aloy being pale is story based
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