Days Gone miles ahead of HZD with optimization

[dig_ut!!]

How come even now almost a year later Guérilla hasn’t optimized HZD to work well on pc, while Bend has done a great job with Days Gone.

-no issues with waiting an hour for the shaders to load at the main menu screen in Days Gone
-no problems with textures loading correctly in game with Days Gone
-no control issues (sometimes you run with Alloy and she just doesn’t stop when you stop running)
-no problems with textures flickering
-no cut scenes appearing in incorrect resolution in Days Gone
-the sad part is that Days Gone even looks better graphically because of the good optimization

Why hasn’t Guérilla released a patch to fix these issues.

By now HZD should have been optimized to run as good as days gone, but it isn’t.

[Seamus]

dig_ut!! původně napsal:

-no issues with waiting an hour for the shaders to load at the main menu screen in Days Gone

Get a better cpu.

-no problems with textures loading correctly in game with Days Gone

Only seen that happen on AMD cards, so, it's something on your end.

-no problems with textures flickering

See previous.

-no cut scenes appearing in incorrect resolution in Days Gone

Literally never seen this. Did you turn on adaptive performance fps or something?

-the sad part is that Days Gone even looks better graphically because of the good optimization

Considering your other comments, I'm willing to bet you screwed something up in the settings.

[dig_ut!!]

Seamus původně napsal:

dig_ut!! původně napsal:

-no issues with waiting an hour for the shaders to load at the main menu screen in Days Gone

Get a better cpu.

-no problems with textures loading correctly in game with Days Gone

Only seen that happen on AMD cards, so, it's something on your end.

-no problems with textures flickering

See previous.

-no cut scenes appearing in incorrect resolution in Days Gone

Literally never seen this. Did you turn on adaptive performance fps or something?

-the sad part is that Days Gone even looks better graphically because of the good optimization

Considering your other comments, I'm willing to bet you screwed something up in the settings.

Have really had very few problems with Days Gone, whether with the settings or otherwise. Same pc, no change in cpu etc. Saying its a different engine is just an excuse for how poorly optimized horizon zero dawn really is. Different engine or not if the game was well optimized it would be running just as smooth as days gone on the same pc. What your making is an excuse for a poorly optimized pc port that still needs some working on.

Don’t get me wrong it’s a fantastic game, just could have been a better and more enjoyable experience had it been properly optimized.

[Seamus]

And, what exactly is your cpu? I already know you've got imbalanced ram as you've got 20gb.

[dig_ut!!]

Seamus původně napsal:

And, what exactly is your cpu? I already know you've got imbalanced ram as you've got 20gb.

Intel i5

[Seamus]

That tells me absolutely nothing.

They've been making i5 cpus since 2009. They're not all the same.

[dig_ut!!]

Seamus původně napsal:

That tells me absolutely nothing.

They've been making i5 cpus since 2009. They're not all the same.

I may not be a computer expert like you, but I can tell when a pc port has been poorly optimized and even reviews confirm that one game was well optimized while the other wasn’t upon release. All I had to do was watch the digital foundry videos to confirm that for me. And now that I can compare both games, I do see the difference in optimization, as one does run much smoother than the other.

[Seamus]

Sigh.

So you've got a dorito for a cpu then. Good to know.

Seriously, you don't need to be an expert to figure out what your cpu is.

PC Settings>System>About.

Not complex.

I'm not saying this game is perfect. It's most definitely not. But your attempt to compare it to a game by different developers on a COMPLETELY different engine because "it's a ps4 port!" is massively uninformed and just flat out the wrong way to look at things.

[dig_ut!!]

Seamus původně napsal:

Sigh.

So you've got a dorito for a cpu then. Good to know.

Seriously, you don't need to be an expert to figure out what your cpu is.

PC Settings>System>About.

Not complex.

I'm not saying this game is perfect. It's most definitely not. But your attempt to compare it to a game by different developers on a COMPLETELY different engine because "it's a ps4 port!" is massively uninformed and just flat out the wrong way to look at things.

Honestly, I probably couldn’t have cared less what engine they were each made on. As a gamer all I know is that one runs smoothly and one runs poorly on the same pc (which I will probably need to get rid of at some point).

[Seamus]

As a gamer you don't even know your actual system specs so you have no idea what settings you should be using.

Kinda makes your opinion on which one runs well moot.

[Komarimaru]

-no issues with waiting an hour for the shaders to load at the main menu screen in Days Gone
This is because Days Gone uses DirectX 11. DirectX 12, is what uses the advanced shaders and generally needing higher end hardware due to this.

-no problems with textures loading correctly in game with Days Gone
This only happens on low end cards for HZD, especially those with less then 8GB of VRam and setting things too high.

-no control issues (sometimes you run with Alloy and she just doesn’t stop when you stop running)
Never seen this issue, ever. And I've tested it on APU's to high end systems.

-no problems with textures flickering
This is again, GPU connected. If textures are flickering, this means your card can't handle TAA very well or needs to lower settings yet again.

-no cut scenes appearing in incorrect resolution in Days Gone
Wut? All Cutscenes are proper resolution, the only time they are not, is if you use resolution scaling, and again, that means you're using a low end GPU or had adaptive resolution.

-the sad part is that Days Gone even looks better graphically because of the good optimization
I'd have to disagree heavily. I have Days Gone, and the textures are not better resolution. That games textures are so low, I can run 4K at over 70 FPS, max settings, on a card not meant for 4K. Even the mipmapping isn't that high.

[dig_ut!!]

Komarimaru původně napsal:

-no issues with waiting an hour for the shaders to load at the main menu screen in Days Gone
This is because Days Gone uses DirectX 11. DirectX 12, is what uses the advanced shaders and generally needing higher end hardware due to this.

-no problems with textures loading correctly in game with Days Gone
This only happens on low end cards for HZD, especially those with less then 8GB of VRam and setting things too high.

-no control issues (sometimes you run with Alloy and she just doesn’t stop when you stop running)
Never seen this issue, ever. And I've tested it on APU's to high end systems.

-no problems with textures flickering
This is again, GPU connected. If textures are flickering, this means your card can't handle TAA very well or needs to lower settings yet again.

-no cut scenes appearing in incorrect resolution in Days Gone
Wut? All Cutscenes are proper resolution, the only time they are not, is if you use resolution scaling, and again, that means you're using a low end GPU or had adaptive resolution.

-the sad part is that Days Gone even looks better graphically because of the good optimization
I'd have to disagree heavily. I have Days Gone, and the textures are not better resolution. That games textures are so low, I can run 4K at over 70 FPS, max settings, on a card not meant for 4K. Even the mipmapping isn't that high.

Based on what your saying then, Horizon Zero Dawn was only optimized to run well on high end pcs, while Days Gone runs well on a variety of pcs. I think we have a clear winner. If you are Sony you shouldn’t expect every one of your pc customers to have an RTX 3070 or 3080, and a high end pc. I understand your reasoning but at the same time I have high settings on for both HZD and Days Gone and one works well while the other more poorly. To be fair I have tried HZD on the lower end settings and it’s nearly unplayable because of how bad it looks. Days Gone for me on high settings 1440p works smoothly, while HZD on detected settings looks like horse manure. This is why I play it at higher settings. I know you want to defend the game but it is a poor port, and I’m sorry that not everyone is rocking a pc with an RTX 3090 card, an i9 cpu, and rgb series 64 gb ddr 4 ram like yourself. Bottom line Days Gone plays well on a variety of pcs, while HZD doesn’t. Case closed.

[Seamus]

dig_ut!! původně napsal:

Based on what your saying then, Horizon Zero Dawn was only optimized to run well on high end pcs, while Days Gone runs well on a variety of pcs. I think we have a clear winner. If you are Sony you shouldn’t expect every one of your pc customers to have an RTX 3070 or 3080, and a high end pc. I understand your reasoning but at the same time I have high settings on for both HZD and Days Gone and one works well while the other more poorly. To be fair I have tried HZD on the lower end settings and it’s nearly unplayable because of how bad it looks. Days Gone for me on high settings 1440p works smoothly, while HZD on detected settings looks like horse manure. This is why I play it at higher settings. I know you want to defend the game but it is a poor port, and I’m sorry that not everyone is rocking a pc with an RTX 3090 card, an i9 cpu, and rgb series 64 gb ddr 4 ram like yourself. Bottom line Days Gone plays well on a variety of pcs, while HZD doesn’t. Case closed.

Ah, you're one of those inferiority complex types who feels the need to defend their toaster by calling things poorly optimized.

You're on an i5 and complaining about performance in a cpu heavy game.

You don't need a 3080/3090 to get good performance out of this game.

Hell, your 1660 will run it fine. If it's not being held back by a garbage cpu, slow ram and a spinning hard drive.

[dig_ut!!]

What do you mean by you’ve tested it on apus to high end systems? Do you build pcs? Work in the gaming industry, or in a computer shop or job where you get to test pcs?

If this is the case you should have a better temporary solution for me other than upgrading my pix at the moment.

And as I’ve mentioned, the settings you recommended to me make the game look awful.

Any other suggestions, I’m open to them.

I’m really here to get a better gaming experience out of the game, and not to argue about why I’m experiencing the issues I’m experiencing. That’s all great, but I would much prefer a solution instead.

[dig_ut!!]

Seamus původně napsal:

dig_ut!! původně napsal:

Based on what your saying then, Horizon Zero Dawn was only optimized to run well on high end pcs, while Days Gone runs well on a variety of pcs. I think we have a clear winner. If you are Sony you shouldn’t expect every one of your pc customers to have an RTX 3070 or 3080, and a high end pc. I understand your reasoning but at the same time I have high settings on for both HZD and Days Gone and one works well while the other more poorly. To be fair I have tried HZD on the lower end settings and it’s nearly unplayable because of how bad it looks. Days Gone for me on high settings 1440p works smoothly, while HZD on detected settings looks like horse manure. This is why I play it at higher settings. I know you want to defend the game but it is a poor port, and I’m sorry that not everyone is rocking a pc with an RTX 3090 card, an i9 cpu, and rgb series 64 gb ddr 4 ram like yourself. Bottom line Days Gone plays well on a variety of pcs, while HZD doesn’t. Case closed.

Ah, you're one of those inferiority complex types who feels the need to defend their toaster by calling things poorly optimized.

You're on an i5 and complaining about performance in a cpu heavy game.

You don't need a 3080/3090 to get good performance out of this game.

Hell, your 1660 will run it fine. If it's not being held back by a garbage cpu, slow ram and a spinning hard drive.

Apparently Days Gone which came out almost a year after HZD, doesn’t think my cpu is garbage as it runs just fine on it. You do realize it’s a computer we’re talking about here, not myself. What does an inferiority complex have to do with anything? lol. Your basically trashing my inferior pc which has nothing to do with me lol. It’s just the tool I use to play games, and most run just fine.

[Seamus]

dig_ut!! původně napsal:

Apparently Days Gone which came out almost a year after HZD, doesn’t think my cpu is garbage as it runs just fine on it.

Once again: Different engine.

You do realize it’s a computer we’re talking about here, not myself. What does an inferiority complex have to do with anything? lol. Your basically trashing my inferior pc which has nothing to do with me lol. It’s just the tool I use to play games, and most run just fine.

And you don't know your computer well enough to know what settings you should use or what its limitations are.

Your i5, as noted by the fact it's using ddr3, is at best a 3000 line. That's a nine year old product.

Combine that with a spinning drive and you've got a massive bottleneck.