Petition to officially support Windows 7

[Fins]

Any Windows 7 users, please support this by voicing your approval.

All other users, please note Windows 7 support can not anyhow deteriorate already-supported operational systems (like Windows 10), but with Windows 7 support you'll have more people playing the game - thus more reviews, guides, possibly new friends found. So please also support this, if said things are desirable for you.

Thanks!

Following are select reasons to add official Windows 7 support for this release.

1. Hundreds of millions of computers still run Windows 7, and good deal of those computers are gaming rigs, according to January 2020 publication in PC Gamer: https://www.pcgamer.com/hundreds-of-millions-of-pcs-still-run-windows-7-as-support-comes-to-an-end/ . Quote: "ZDNet, for example, estimates there are around 200 million Windows 7 PCs, while Computer World's number crunching led to an estimate of there being 446 million Windows 7 systems by the end of the month (two months after the OS is retired)". Thus, supporting Windows 7 will boost sales great deal. We are talking about MILLIONS additional copies sold, here!

2. Microsoft continues to support certain types of Windows 7 OS until October 24 2024, as published here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/faq/extended-security-updates . "Important" and "Critical" secturity updates will still roll out for this OS. Some of them will also be pushed to other types of Windows 7 installations, as this already happened this year on some occasions.

3. DirectX 12 is officially supported by Windows 7 for _all_ games (which is not the case for Windows 8 and Windows 8.1), as published by Microsoft themselves right here: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/porting-directx-12-games-to-windows-7/ . Same page also offers guidance in porting W10 / DX12 games to W7 / DX12 whilst keeping it to one and same binary for both platforms. The publication is made August 2019, and notes, quote, "warm welcome from the gaming community". This demonstrates that Microsoft understands importance of Windows 7 community even during recent, quite aggressive, Windows 10 advertising times. I dare thing Guerilla Games should, too.

Sincerely,

Fins

[Blackpot]

Fry McFly a écrit :

Just to be clear: This thread is about wanting a game to be released for another platform. And you're making a religious war out of it?

Windows 10 and 7 belongs to the same platform. And nothing will stop our holy crusade

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Blackpot a écrit :

Fry McFly a écrit :

Just to be clear: This thread is about wanting a game to be released for another platform. And you're making a religious war out of it?

Windows 10 and 7 belongs to the same platform. And nothing will stop our holy crusade

windows 10 belongs.

windows 7 belonged.

stop living in the past.

[Erebus]

Blackpot a écrit :

Fry McFly a écrit :

Just to be clear: This thread is about wanting a game to be released for another platform. And you're making a religious war out of it?

Windows 10 and 7 belongs to the same platform. And nothing will stop our holy crusade

unholy*
plague*

[Blackpot]

Sigh a écrit :

Blackpot a écrit :

Windows 10 and 7 belongs to the same platform. And nothing will stop our holy crusade

windows 10 belongs.

windows 7 belonged.

stop living in the past.

Im lso using XP on another machine. Thats the same too. I run games on it that no longer works in 64 bits environment

[Daxank]

Blackpot a écrit :

Sigh a écrit :

windows 10 belongs.

windows 7 belonged.

stop living in the past.

Im lso using XP on another machine. Thats the same too. I run games on it that no longer works in 64 bits environment

Like what?
What game only runs on XP that can't run on 10 with compatibility mode?

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Daxank a écrit :

Blackpot a écrit :

Im lso using XP on another machine. Thats the same too. I run games on it that no longer works in 64 bits environment

Like what?
What game only runs on XP that can't run on 10 with compatibility mode?

there isn't one.

it's just an excuse they use to cling to obsolete software.

[METAL]

Sigh a écrit :

Daxank a écrit :

Like what?
What game only runs on XP that can't run on 10 with compatibility mode?

there isn't one.

it's just an excuse they use to cling to obsolete software.

Obvious. I canstill play the original half life on 10. And any other games I still like to play run on 10. Which did surprise me

[Dagtag]

Blackpot a écrit :

Sigh a écrit :

windows 10 belongs.

windows 7 belonged.

stop living in the past.

Im lso using XP on another machine. Thats the same too. I run games on it that no longer works in 64 bits environment

you are absolutely clueless lmao. how about you name some games that you think won't run on windows 10?

[Erebus]

Dagtag a écrit :

Blackpot a écrit :

Im lso using XP on another machine. Thats the same too. I run games on it that no longer works in 64 bits environment

you are absolutely clueless lmao. how about you name some games that you think won't run on windows 10?

When even an obscure sierra pinball game that had issues under XP runs on 10 without anything elaborate needing to be done I really have to wonder where these people are getting their info from.

And for the truly ancient and archaic newer systems tend to handle virtualization/emulation smoother.

[Draken/Eitan]

Erebus a écrit :

Dagtag a écrit :

you are absolutely clueless lmao. how about you name some games that you think won't run on windows 10?

When even an obscure sierra pinball game that had issues under XP runs on 10 without anything elaborate needing to be done I really have to wonder where these people are getting their info from.

And for the truly ancient and archaic newer systems tend to handle virtualization/emulation smoother.

They biggest issue with most old games is resolution scaling because many had only 3-4 option maxing out at 800x600 in a number of cases. There are easy to use tools to help with that!

Oh the days of 3Dfx VooDoo. Needing to route the monitor through the gpu and then to the 2d graphics output. 800x600 was the high resolution and it often didn't matter that there was no z-buffer at that resolution (max z-buffer resolution being 640x480).

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Draken/Eitan a écrit :

Erebus a écrit :

When even an obscure sierra pinball game that had issues under XP runs on 10 without anything elaborate needing to be done I really have to wonder where these people are getting their info from.

And for the truly ancient and archaic newer systems tend to handle virtualization/emulation smoother.

They biggest issue with most old games is resolution scaling because many had only 3-4 option maxing out at 800x600 in a number of cases. There are easy to use tools to help with that!

Oh the days of 3Dfx VooDoo. Needing to route the monitor through the gpu and then to the 2d graphics output. 800x600 was the high resolution and it often didn't matter that there was no z-buffer at that resolution (max z-buffer resolution being 640x480).

yeah, that's why you have things like dosbox and such, you need those whether you run it on xp or 7 or 10.

[Draken/Eitan]

Sigh a écrit :

Draken/Eitan a écrit :

They biggest issue with most old games is resolution scaling because many had only 3-4 option maxing out at 800x600 in a number of cases. There are easy to use tools to help with that!

Oh the days of 3Dfx VooDoo. Needing to route the monitor through the gpu and then to the 2d graphics output. 800x600 was the high resolution and it often didn't matter that there was no z-buffer at that resolution (max z-buffer resolution being 640x480).

yeah, that's why you have things like dosbox and such, you need those whether you run it on xp or 7 or 10.

bUt iTs nOt nAtIvE??? :P

[Erebus]

Draken/Eitan a écrit :

Erebus a écrit :

When even an obscure sierra pinball game that had issues under XP runs on 10 without anything elaborate needing to be done I really have to wonder where these people are getting their info from.

And for the truly ancient and archaic newer systems tend to handle virtualization/emulation smoother.

They biggest issue with most old games is resolution scaling because many had only 3-4 option maxing out at 800x600 in a number of cases. There are easy to use tools to help with that!

Oh the days of 3Dfx VooDoo. Needing to route the monitor through the gpu and then to the 2d graphics output. 800x600 was the high resolution and it often didn't matter that there was no z-buffer at that resolution (max z-buffer resolution being 640x480).

If it's windowed changing the DPI scaling for Windows can be used to "expand the game" without becoming an aliased mess.

[Draken/Eitan]

Erebus a écrit :

Draken/Eitan a écrit :

They biggest issue with most old games is resolution scaling because many had only 3-4 option maxing out at 800x600 in a number of cases. There are easy to use tools to help with that!

Oh the days of 3Dfx VooDoo. Needing to route the monitor through the gpu and then to the 2d graphics output. 800x600 was the high resolution and it often didn't matter that there was no z-buffer at that resolution (max z-buffer resolution being 640x480).

If it's windowed changing the DPI scaling for Windows can be used to "expand the game" without becoming an aliased mess.

Right, and there are numerous tools to help where that does not work well. I think Borderless Gaming can override the resolution of many games to make them - obviously - Borderless windowed :D

And many game have EASILY installed fan projects that even add launchers etc. Like Tomb Raider 1997 - where not only does it help resolution but also re-adds content cut from consoles like the full soundtrack. (Although I'm more than half way through replaying using another project called OpenLara which even adds dynamic lighting and water FX - but its more complicated to set up).

[Komarimaru]

I believe the only old games that will not run automatically in Windows 10, are those with SafeDisc and SecuROM. They were removed from being part of the operating system, since heavily vulnerable to exploits, especially from outside sources simply pinging in since the developers of that horrible DRM refused to update it.

Many game makers have already updated, or pointed to fixes to run these games though with those DRM, others can be ran with, what was called back in the day, A NoCD crack or by assigning manually in Windows 10 SafeDisc and SecuROM, though I would strongly caution against the latter since then it open you up to the backdoor exploit.