Petition to officially support Windows 7

[Fins]

Any Windows 7 users, please support this by voicing your approval.

All other users, please note Windows 7 support can not anyhow deteriorate already-supported operational systems (like Windows 10), but with Windows 7 support you'll have more people playing the game - thus more reviews, guides, possibly new friends found. So please also support this, if said things are desirable for you.

Thanks!

Following are select reasons to add official Windows 7 support for this release.

1. Hundreds of millions of computers still run Windows 7, and good deal of those computers are gaming rigs, according to January 2020 publication in PC Gamer: https://www.pcgamer.com/hundreds-of-millions-of-pcs-still-run-windows-7-as-support-comes-to-an-end/ . Quote: "ZDNet, for example, estimates there are around 200 million Windows 7 PCs, while Computer World's number crunching led to an estimate of there being 446 million Windows 7 systems by the end of the month (two months after the OS is retired)". Thus, supporting Windows 7 will boost sales great deal. We are talking about MILLIONS additional copies sold, here!

2. Microsoft continues to support certain types of Windows 7 OS until October 24 2024, as published here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/faq/extended-security-updates . "Important" and "Critical" secturity updates will still roll out for this OS. Some of them will also be pushed to other types of Windows 7 installations, as this already happened this year on some occasions.

3. DirectX 12 is officially supported by Windows 7 for _all_ games (which is not the case for Windows 8 and Windows 8.1), as published by Microsoft themselves right here: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/porting-directx-12-games-to-windows-7/ . Same page also offers guidance in porting W10 / DX12 games to W7 / DX12 whilst keeping it to one and same binary for both platforms. The publication is made August 2019, and notes, quote, "warm welcome from the gaming community". This demonstrates that Microsoft understands importance of Windows 7 community even during recent, quite aggressive, Windows 10 advertising times. I dare thing Guerilla Games should, too.

Sincerely,

Fins

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uh okay then maybe you should familiarize yourself with them as currently they're not an alternative or a solution to anything.

[[Cw]Elite Alien]

Messaggio originale di Taran Tatsuuchi:

I didn't have much hopes for the game streaming services in the US...

What with the isp corporate oligarchy...
They have no incentives to try and provide better service...
They just agree not to compete in the same areas, leaving most people without any alternatives.

No not at all... Phil Harrison said, "ISPs are smart and they understand that they’re in the business of keeping customers happy". ISP's will just play ball with Google Stadia, disabling Data caps and everything. lol

To think this is some of the people that are entrusted to run the company that stores your data (Since some do use Google Drive), collect data on people to use for ad money, and have streaming service data from Youtube to understand data over the internet. Yet, not a lick of understanding that ISP's make tons of money from service charges, such as going over a data cap and other random hidden fees. You have to really be living in wealth to have that special love from ISP's to keep you happy. Good thing Phil has had all that upper management roles all these years to maybe get that kind of treatment.

Messaggio originale di Blackpot:

Well, im not familiar with these platforms, so i can't judge them, just tried to show an alternative solution

As for these services, well they don't work out in a lot of countries ISP's. Then if you are in one with fair internet services, you're not exactly lucky. With all the restrictions and even less ownership of the product you purchase. I wouldn't call it much of an alternative even with a good internet connection.

Personally I would rather have such services crash and burn. I have accepted Steam to some due to no real choice when GOG doesn't step up to the plate (a lot of times ). Yet, at least with Steam while you don't completely own it either, you're not paying a monthly fee for better services (like so called upscalled 1080p to 4k, surround sound audio, et cetera) and still paying full price for a game (if we are talking Stadia) or locked into a consoles version of a game or some silly UWP packaging (If we are talking about Game Pass, future XCloud, or PSNow). Then dare I mention Uplay+ lol, for like 15USD a month for only Ubisoft games.

If Linux or Windows 10 isn't an option you would be better off buying a console to play the games. You will still pay full price, have a monthly service fee for online play, and still get better performance in games than a streaming service. Due to not having to worry about random bandwidth spikes because everyone came home and QoS just isn't enough. At least until consoles turn into stream boxes completely.

[Ad Hominem]

Messaggio originale di DSO:

uh okay then maybe you should familiarize yourself with them as currently they're not an alternative or a solution to anything.

Some of them work ok. Like isn't the Nvidia Shadowplay pretty decent? A lot is going to depend on how fast your connection is though. I wouldn't try to play twitchy competitive shooters but most single player story games are playable if you don't have a backwoods internet connection.

A lot of these streaming companies operate differently on ownership too. Some of them let you play the games you already own in your steam library. For as much as you can own something you don't have a physical copy of, but that's a different discussion altogether.

[Komarimaru]

Messaggio originale di Ad Hominem:

Messaggio originale di DSO:

uh okay then maybe you should familiarize yourself with them as currently they're not an alternative or a solution to anything.

Some of them work ok. Like isn't the Nvidia Shadowplay pretty decent? A lot is going to depend on how fast your connection is though. I wouldn't try to play twitchy competitive shooters but most single player story games are playable if you don't have a backwoods internet connection.

A lot of these streaming companies operate differently on ownership too. Some of them let you play the games you already own in your steam library. For as much as you can own something you don't have a physical copy of, but that's a different discussion altogether.

Shadowplay is just streaming from your own device to another. With built in recording and streaming functions. So, not a service you pay for ans based strictly on your hardware, so a mute option for many to begin with, mostly used to play games on TV when feeling lazy, like Steam Link.

Geforce Now is the streaming option, and it suffers the same issue every one of them does.

They suffer with poor FPS. They do not invest in great hardware to stream to you, they are in it to make money. Expect minimum to medium settings, no matter if it's Xcloud, Shadow etc. Some offer the game at max settings, but there's more drawbacks other then visual quality.

Horrible input lag is one. GeForce Now and Stadia has the least input lag, but you notice it, extremely fast. You press a button, you literally are waiting that half second to get a response. This goes the other way as well, getting hit, when you don't see it happen until after the fact.

They are FPS locked, mostly at 30, due to bandwidth. 60 requires around 400mbps speeds, few have that, and that's 1080p. 60 at 4k? I couldn't get it to play right with a gigabit fiberoptic connection. And no, it wasn't me lol.

And those are on the two decent options. God forbid you try Xcloud or Shadow. Sony and Microsoft cheat on theirs, and partial stream, hard to explain, but does help on input lag when you've files on your device.

It's a whole convoluted mess, a complex one. We're not going to get even haflway decent streaming anytime soon, unless some magic codecs arise that can compress massive to tiny, then uncompress back quickly to make things snappy.

[Erebus]

Messaggio originale di Komarimaru:

It's a whole convoluted mess, a complex one. We're not going to get even haflway decent streaming anytime soon, unless some magic codecs arise that can compress massive to tiny, then uncompress back quickly to make things snappy.

Probably something leveraging a solution like a highly trained DLSS to fill in the gaps.

[tonylive1777]

Make it for Dos plz

[fun guy]

Messaggio originale di tonylive1777:

Make it for Dos plz

Get Vulkan and modern GPUs working with DOS then, then it might be possible to port

[TearN U Up]

Messaggio originale di Komarimaru:

Messaggio originale di Ad Hominem:

Some of them work ok. Like isn't the Nvidia Shadowplay pretty decent? A lot is going to depend on how fast your connection is though. I wouldn't try to play twitchy competitive shooters but most single player story games are playable if you don't have a backwoods internet connection.

A lot of these streaming companies operate differently on ownership too. Some of them let you play the games you already own in your steam library. For as much as you can own something you don't have a physical copy of, but that's a different discussion altogether.

Shadowplay is just streaming from your own device to another. With built in recording and streaming functions. So, not a service you pay for ans based strictly on your hardware, so a mute option for many to begin with, mostly used to play games on TV when feeling lazy, like Steam Link.

Geforce Now is the streaming option, and it suffers the same issue every one of them does.

They suffer with poor FPS. They do not invest in great hardware to stream to you, they are in it to make money. Expect minimum to medium settings, no matter if it's Xcloud, Shadow etc. Some offer the game at max settings, but there's more drawbacks other then visual quality.

Horrible input lag is one. GeForce Now and Stadia has the least input lag, but you notice it, extremely fast. You press a button, you literally are waiting that half second to get a response. This goes the other way as well, getting hit, when you don't see it happen until after the fact.

They are FPS locked, mostly at 30, due to bandwidth. 60 requires around 400mbps speeds, few have that, and that's 1080p. 60 at 4k? I couldn't get it to play right with a gigabit fiberoptic connection. And no, it wasn't me lol.

And those are on the two decent options. God forbid you try Xcloud or Shadow. Sony and Microsoft cheat on theirs, and partial stream, hard to explain, but does help on input lag when you've files on your device.

It's a whole convoluted mess, a complex one. We're not going to get even haflway decent streaming anytime soon, unless some magic codecs arise that can compress massive to tiny, then uncompress back quickly to make things snappy.

I've used both Xcloud and GeForce now and found both to be very acceptable in playing halo 5 (Xcloud) and destiny 2 (GFN).

My connection is only 300mbps and I was able to spend weeks playing destiny 2 daily while I was rebuilding my watercooling loop. It felt fine 95% of the time with only a couple hiccups once in a while.

Halo 5 at first didn't feel too good but I switched from a much older tablet to a new top tier android handset and it was quite Playable as well though I have only used it for a couple hours still need more testing.

The fact is you can claim whatever you want and ay "it's not you" but the fact is it kinda "is you" whether it's your hardware your internet or just your tolerances. Your experience isn't at all everyone's to speak as such is very misaligned with the success and growth of these services.

If they were as bad as you say they would have failed miserably from day1 and we wouldn't have 3 or 4 companies chasing that ultisnte streaming service title.

[Dagtag]

Messaggio originale di TearN U Up:

My connection is only 300mbps

If they were as bad as you say they would have failed miserably from day1 and we wouldn't have 3 or 4 companies chasing that ultisnte streaming service title.

yeah okay the fact that you think 300mbps isn't that fast makes your opinion entirely irrelevant... not everyones internet speed is as top notch as your.

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Messaggio originale di Dagtag:

Messaggio originale di TearN U Up:

My connection is only 300mbps

If they were as bad as you say they would have failed miserably from day1 and we wouldn't have 3 or 4 companies chasing that ultisnte streaming service title.

yeah okay the fact that you think 300mbps isn't that fast makes your opinion entirely irrelevant... not everyones internet speed is as top notch as your.

up until a few days ago i was on 25mbps.

many people are also on data caps and if you go over you end up paying onscene amounts per extra gig.

guy that thinks is 300mbps is common is living in a bubble.

[Erebus]

Messaggio originale di Dagtag:

Messaggio originale di TearN U Up:

My connection is only 300mbps

If they were as bad as you say they would have failed miserably from day1 and we wouldn't have 3 or 4 companies chasing that ultisnte streaming service title.

yeah okay the fact that you think 300mbps isn't that fast makes your opinion entirely irrelevant... not everyones internet speed is as top notch as your.

I live in the middle of a city and the absolute best you can get for a home connection is 115Mbit.

The prior place I lived which was just outside a city the peak was 3.5Mbit.

Internet infrastructure is awful unless you live in a handful of cities or in really small countries.

[Orion Invictus]

Messaggio originale di Erebus:

Messaggio originale di Dagtag:

yeah okay the fact that you think 300mbps isn't that fast makes your opinion entirely irrelevant... not everyones internet speed is as top notch as your.

I live in the middle of a city and the absolute best you can get for a home connection is 115Mbit.

The prior place I lived which was just outside a city the peak was 3.5Mbit.

Internet infrastructure is awful unless you live in a handful of cities or in really small countries.

You really should move out of the USA, if you can. 115 Mbps is barely above the lowest speed I can get in my country. Hell, the standard is 200 Mbps, with speeds going all the way to 1 Gbps.

[Dagtag]

Messaggio originale di Erebus:

Messaggio originale di Dagtag:

yeah okay the fact that you think 300mbps isn't that fast makes your opinion entirely irrelevant... not everyones internet speed is as top notch as your.

I live in the middle of a city and the absolute best you can get for a home connection is 115Mbit.

The prior place I lived which was just outside a city the peak was 3.5Mbit.

Internet infrastructure is awful unless you live in a handful of cities or in really small countries.

I get the struggles, my internet at home has about 80mbps, in my room that caps to about 30mbps. however in my dorm I have a business fiberwire connection that caps at 800+mbps. I love it, but that kind of connection isnt widespread and not a lot of people have access to it.

people that think 300mbps can be used in the form of 'My connection is only 300mbps' are delusional.

[TearN U Up]

Messaggio originale di Dagtag:

Messaggio originale di TearN U Up:

My connection is only 300mbps

If they were as bad as you say they would have failed miserably from day1 and we wouldn't have 3 or 4 companies chasing that ultisnte streaming service title.

yeah okay the fact that you think 300mbps isn't that fast makes your opinion entirely irrelevant... not everyones internet speed is as top notch as your.

Uh this was in response to someone saying they did it with gigabit fiber and had terrible time.

My speed is 1/3 of that is all I was saying.

I know my speeds are higher but I also think a lot of people cheap out on what is a basic need in today's world and go with the economy rate plan when they should have something better (all to save a few bucks and then whine about buffering or lag).

If you're not paying atleast 75 a month and youre internet provider has plans at these rates and similar speeds to mine then it's basically on you for cheaping out.

I could have gone gig service but my price would go from $100 to $200 and it didn't seem necessary but I d@m sure went from 100mbps at $75 to my plan and definitely wouldn't have ever settle for the 50mbps for $50 deal the cable company pushes.

I got 6x the internet speed for only 2x the cost.

I'm sure many of you could find similar pricing if you actually cared to and could come off an extra $20-40 a month.

[Komarimaru]

Messaggio originale di TearN U Up:

Messaggio originale di Komarimaru:

Shadowplay is just streaming from your own device to another. With built in recording and streaming functions. So, not a service you pay for ans based strictly on your hardware, so a mute option for many to begin with, mostly used to play games on TV when feeling lazy, like Steam Link.

Geforce Now is the streaming option, and it suffers the same issue every one of them does.

They suffer with poor FPS. They do not invest in great hardware to stream to you, they are in it to make money. Expect minimum to medium settings, no matter if it's Xcloud, Shadow etc. Some offer the game at max settings, but there's more drawbacks other then visual quality.

Horrible input lag is one. GeForce Now and Stadia has the least input lag, but you notice it, extremely fast. You press a button, you literally are waiting that half second to get a response. This goes the other way as well, getting hit, when you don't see it happen until after the fact.

They are FPS locked, mostly at 30, due to bandwidth. 60 requires around 400mbps speeds, few have that, and that's 1080p. 60 at 4k? I couldn't get it to play right with a gigabit fiberoptic connection. And no, it wasn't me lol.

And those are on the two decent options. God forbid you try Xcloud or Shadow. Sony and Microsoft cheat on theirs, and partial stream, hard to explain, but does help on input lag when you've files on your device.

It's a whole convoluted mess, a complex one. We're not going to get even haflway decent streaming anytime soon, unless some magic codecs arise that can compress massive to tiny, then uncompress back quickly to make things snappy.

I've used both Xcloud and GeForce now and found both to be very acceptable in playing halo 5 (Xcloud) and destiny 2 (GFN).

My connection is only 300mbps and I was able to spend weeks playing destiny 2 daily while I was rebuilding my watercooling loop. It felt fine 95% of the time with only a couple hiccups once in a while.

Halo 5 at first didn't feel too good but I switched from a much older tablet to a new top tier android handset and it was quite Playable as well though I have only used it for a couple hours still need more testing.

The fact is you can claim whatever you want and ay "it's not you" but the fact is it kinda "is you" whether it's your hardware your internet or just your tolerances. Your experience isn't at all everyone's to speak as such is very misaligned with the success and growth of these services.

If they were as bad as you say they would have failed miserably from day1 and we wouldn't have 3 or 4 companies chasing that ultisnte streaming service title.

Except, I have played the games they stream that I personally own. It is horrible in comparison. Maybe you like 30 FPS. Personally, I do not since it hurts my eyes.

And I doubt you were streaming 4k 60 FPS with only 300mbps. I want to see PROOF of this, by all means. Let me see this, I'd LOOOOVE to.