Petition to officially support Windows 7

[Fins]

Any Windows 7 users, please support this by voicing your approval.

All other users, please note Windows 7 support can not anyhow deteriorate already-supported operational systems (like Windows 10), but with Windows 7 support you'll have more people playing the game - thus more reviews, guides, possibly new friends found. So please also support this, if said things are desirable for you.

Thanks!

Following are select reasons to add official Windows 7 support for this release.

1. Hundreds of millions of computers still run Windows 7, and good deal of those computers are gaming rigs, according to January 2020 publication in PC Gamer: https://www.pcgamer.com/hundreds-of-millions-of-pcs-still-run-windows-7-as-support-comes-to-an-end/ . Quote: "ZDNet, for example, estimates there are around 200 million Windows 7 PCs, while Computer World's number crunching led to an estimate of there being 446 million Windows 7 systems by the end of the month (two months after the OS is retired)". Thus, supporting Windows 7 will boost sales great deal. We are talking about MILLIONS additional copies sold, here!

2. Microsoft continues to support certain types of Windows 7 OS until October 24 2024, as published here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/faq/extended-security-updates . "Important" and "Critical" secturity updates will still roll out for this OS. Some of them will also be pushed to other types of Windows 7 installations, as this already happened this year on some occasions.

3. DirectX 12 is officially supported by Windows 7 for _all_ games (which is not the case for Windows 8 and Windows 8.1), as published by Microsoft themselves right here: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/porting-directx-12-games-to-windows-7/ . Same page also offers guidance in porting W10 / DX12 games to W7 / DX12 whilst keeping it to one and same binary for both platforms. The publication is made August 2019, and notes, quote, "warm welcome from the gaming community". This demonstrates that Microsoft understands importance of Windows 7 community even during recent, quite aggressive, Windows 10 advertising times. I dare thing Guerilla Games should, too.

Sincerely,

Fins

[fun guy]

Nguyên văn bởi Blanc:

Nguyên văn bởi shakeyourbunny:

Preface: I am a happy Windows 8.1 user, but the decision of Microsoft not to support DirectX at least with 8.1 is merely political (Windows 7 users: 8.1 is still supported by Microsoft until 2023). Same game was with DirectX 10 which technically would have been worked with Windows XP, but it was Vista-only to enforce upgrade.

I won't use Windows 10 due to privacy concerns, the god-awful non-changeable user interface, the slowness of this service. Yes, Windows 10 is official not an operating system, but a service; which is all official announced by Microsoft. Enough of the rant.

I already decided to switch to Linux, but this depends merely on the pressure of becoming a Windows 10 only world in gaming and Horizon Zero Dawn will push this (like Cyberpunk 2077).

As far as I can tell, Geforce Now won't be available for Horizon Zero Dawn so, this is a bitter pill to swallow and only drives me more to reinstall a Linux Mint dual boot system.

Windows 8.0, and 8.1 had mainstream support during Windows 10's initial launch, meaning they would have backported DirectX 12 and other 10 features, but they didn't because they wanted everyone on Windows 10, because telemetry.

Why I think this is that Vista got features backported from Windows 7, even though Vista was as unpopular as Windows 8 is when it was in support
Vista got DirectX 11, DirectWrite, and various other Windows 7 features[docs.microsoft.com].
Vista got performance improvements, and media function updates that allow playback of H.264 videos, AAC audio, and MP4 videos[support.microsoft.com].
All of these were backported to Vista from 7, while 8.1 got pretty much nothing from 10.

[Hyperion]

Nguyên văn bởi Bansheedragon:

I see the Windows 10 Evangelists are at it again trying to convince us to switch by using hyperbole and scare tactics.
Just because support for Win 7 has stopped does not mean it's suddenly more vulnerable to attacks than it was when it had support.

I don't want to switch to win 10 for several reasons, and even if I wanted to I can't because of security concerns related to my work.

1. Updates:
Every few months I hear about MS releasing an update for win 10 that cause all manner of problems for the users, data being lost, systems crashing, applications not working properly, etc.
In all my years using Windows, from Win 95 to Win 7 I have never heard or seen anything on the level of what is happening with win 10.
All of this can easily be avoided with proper QA, but that cost money which MS is not willing to spend.

2. Data collection:
Win 10 collects all manner of data and from what I have seen and heard, there is almost no limit to it.
I know you can turn off some of it, but that is limited and even then it's still collecting data that it supposedly should not.
Some might argue that I could use 3rd party software to block this, but unless it's open source I have no way of know if this software is safe to use.

Why do they need to collect all this data?
How is that data being stored and what is it used for?
Why can't I choose to not hare anything with them?

All it takes is 1 unfaithful servant at MS to have all that data end up in the hands of someone who will abuse it for personal gain or worse.
MS has no business whatsoever with what I do or store on my computer, if I want to share that data it should happen on my premises not because some megacorp like MS wants to use it to line their pockets.

3. UI.
The win 10 User Interface(UI) is atrocious.
It looks like it was designed for use with devices that have a touch screen such as Phones and pads, not for use with a PC.

If you don't want to upgrade then don't but don't be surprised when newer games refuse support a legacy OS.

[fun guy]

Nguyên văn bởi ZM | Dr. Dro:

Nguyên văn bởi Fins:

Exactly so, yes, i was suggesting the same on very 1st pages on this topic, and more than once. However, we have an army of Win10-indoctrinated folks here who never said, not even once, something like "Install Linux". No, they always push with "Install Win 10 NOW" sorta crap. Sigh.

By the way, by all accounts Win 7 still runs on times more PCs than Linux - about at least double, i think. Puts things in some perspective, ain't it? :)

There is some choice otherwise, too - not Win 7, not Win 10, nor Linux: there is iOS / Macs (for those who can afford), and there is also FreeBSD (for which, last i checked, NVidia releases their GPU drivers and many other gaming-related features also exist).

The hilarious bit is seeing you act high and mighty as if literally everyone else (who has moved on in the decade plus since) is the problem, and not you.

You guys keep spewing things like "indoctrination" "evangelists" etc. when the problem is you, not everyone else.

The problem is inconsiderate people that somehow think Windows 10 is good

[TickleMeRifle]

why would you want to continue playing games on windows 7 when lots of new AAA games don't support it . furthermore, all those security holes in the OS since microsoft no longer updates it. seems like a poor choice to me

[Seamus]

Nguyên văn bởi Blanc:

Nguyên văn bởi ZM | Dr. Dro:

The hilarious bit is seeing you act high and mighty as if literally everyone else (who has moved on in the decade plus since) is the problem, and not you.

You guys keep spewing things like "indoctrination" "evangelists" etc. when the problem is you, not everyone else.

The problem is inconsiderate people that somehow think Windows 10 is good

Oh hey, Blanc is still throwing a tantrum about lack of Windows 7 support.

Either switch to linux so you can use proton or quit ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ complaining.

[TickleMeRifle]

Nguyên văn bởi Blanc:

Nguyên văn bởi ZM | Dr. Dro:

The hilarious bit is seeing you act high and mighty as if literally everyone else (who has moved on in the decade plus since) is the problem, and not you.

You guys keep spewing things like "indoctrination" "evangelists" etc. when the problem is you, not everyone else.

The problem is inconsiderate people that somehow think Windows 10 is good

windows 10 is good. I was hesistant about making the jump to 10 when i was using 7...but man was I wrong. so far waaaay more stable than even 7. and most of the junk that the OS installs you can uninstall anyway. and you can literally organise your start menu the way you want if you don't like the default setup. as for all that updating controversy...pretty much non existant as you can customise when your pc updates or restarts. don't know what all the fuss is about really.

[fun guy]

Nguyên văn bởi Seamus:

Nguyên văn bởi Blanc:

The problem is inconsiderate people that somehow think Windows 10 is good

Oh hey, Blanc is still throwing a tantrum about lack of Windows 7 support.

Either switch to linux so you can use proton or quit ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ complaining.

That wouldn't fix the issue

Nguyên văn bởi Blanc:

I'm actually doing this for a selfless reason. I'm not even going to buy or play the game. I'm here to make sure other WIndows 7 users can enjoy this game.

[WuselWuh]

Fact is: you won't upgrade. That's totally fine. So quit your whining. They already made enough money with this game. No need to port it for a no longer (or somewhatish ) supported os. And can you tell me how much Office-PCs are in those "millions and billions" of win7 PCs? Play it on PS4, Upgrade or don't play at all. Easy as that.

[fun guy]

Nguyên văn bởi ZM | Dr. Dro:

Nguyên văn bởi Quokka:

windows 10 is good. I was hesistant about making the jump to 10 when i was using 7...but man was I wrong. so far waaaay more stable than even 7. and most of the junk that the OS installs you can uninstall anyway. and you can literally organise your start menu the way you want if you don't like the default setup. as for all that updating controversy...pretty much non existant as you can customise when your pc updates or restarts. don't know what all the fuss is about really.

Don't you understand, Bill Gates is assembling the world's largest database of feet and armpit pics, and this means he's actively harvesting data from users' computers, and that means that our own feet pics are now at MS servers

It's not Bill Gates that's doing it, it's Satya Nadella that's doing it

[fun guy]

Nguyên văn bởi WuselWuh:

Fact is: you won't upgrade. That's totally fine. So quit your whining. They already made enough money with this game. No need to port it for a no longer (or somewhatish ) supported os. And can you tell me how much Office-PCs are in those "millions and billions" of win7 PCs? Play it on PS4, Upgrade or don't play at all. Easy as that.

Nguyên văn bởi Blanc:

I'm actually doing this for a selfless reason. I'm not even going to buy or play the game. I'm here to make sure other WIndows 7 users can enjoy this game.

[/quote]
Maybe repeating this quote will fix all these issues

[fun guy]

Nguyên văn bởi WuselWuh:

Fact is: you won't upgrade. That's totally fine. So quit your whining. They already made enough money with this game. No need to port it for a no longer (or somewhatish ) supported os. And can you tell me how much Office-PCs are in those "millions and billions" of win7 PCs? Play it on PS4, Upgrade or don't play at all. Easy as that.

Nguyên văn bởi Blanc:

I'm actually doing this for a selfless reason. I'm not even going to buy or play the game. I'm here to make sure other WIndows 7 users can enjoy this game.

Maybe repeating this quote will fix all these issues

[Seamus]

Nguyên văn bởi Blanc:

Nguyên văn bởi Seamus:

Oh hey, Blanc is still throwing a tantrum about lack of Windows 7 support.

Either switch to linux so you can use proton or quit ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ complaining.

That wouldn't fix the issue

Nguyên văn bởi Blanc:

I'm actually doing this for a selfless reason. I'm not even going to buy or play the game. I'm here to make sure other WIndows 7 users can enjoy this game.

You're trying to fight a losing battle for a dead OS.

Want to help those people who are too paranoid to switch to windows 10 for the same stupid reasons you are?

Teach them to use linux.

Or better yet, get someone else to do it so you don't break something.

[[Cw]Elite Alien]

Nguyên văn bởi ZM | Dr. Dro:

AMD graphics are notoriously well supported on Linux, wtf man

Tell that to my AMD Vega 64 day one, lol. Black screen on any display manager. Then when it finally started to work I had to add kernel parameters to make sure "amdgpu" was loading and not "radeonsi" since I didn't want AMDGPU Pro crappy proprietary drivers that required kernels way older than I wanted to use. Then make sure dynamic power management was in check so the system did freeze. This is literally what my Grub looked like: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="radeon.si_support=0 radeon.cik_support=0 amdgpu.si_support=1 amdgpu.cik_support=1 amdgpu.dc=1 amdgpu.dpm=1 amdgpu.modeset=1"

Otherwise black screen even in a desktop environment or window manager. Once a few weeks past we could finally get into it with kernel parameters added and it still would artifact or flicker in some games. After a few months it got good. This is usually how AMD new hardware is in Linux. It matures nicely, but is a nightmare day one. Verse say Nvidia flag ship products that just work since the proprietary driver has proper support. I do wish it was open source or the open source Nouveau drivers were better. Yet even Nouveau didn't get a 2080Ti working other than kernel mode settings until 5.0 kernels.

As for AMD CPU's even those have day one issues in Linux. Some Ryzen 3000 series had RdRand issues day one. There were even some people not able to use Proton in some games. Which made you need to add "clearcpuid=514". You also had issues like this
https://www(dot)phoronix(dot)com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen-3700x-3900x-linux&num=2

I'm not trying to rag on AMD. Though it's not always a cake walk day one. Once it gets ironed out, AMD can be quiet great in Linux.

Nguyên văn bởi ZM | Dr. Dro:

You guys keep spewing things like "indoctrination" "evangelists" etc.

^This! Please don't add me into that mix of insulting people. I've not insulted others for the choice of OS once. Nor will I.

[Rangcom]

Please add support for Windows ME!

[fun guy]

Nguyên văn bởi Rangcom:

Please add support for Windows ME!