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culpinha 2021年2月22日 8時34分
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Did you forgive Sunny?

I'm kinda struggling with since i finished the game and i didn't answer this one yet.
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投稿主: Sans From Teen Titans GO:
This is probably a little late to this discussion but ive looked through all the responses and honestly its kinda upsetting in a way seeing what some people say. This might turn into a downwards spiral, but ill try and make it coherent.

One thing that i dislike very much right now in America is the punishment system or the way we treat prisoners or people who have done bad things. One thing i probably hate the most is when people humiliate or put endless hate on someone for an action without trying to consider that they just might need help or not considering that there is intent behind peoples actions and are reasons for it.

Now how does that connect to the situation of Sunny in my head. When i first played through Omori (My first play through was the true ending) I absolutely loved the game and honestly when i had came to the part where Sunny revealed that he had pushed his sister down the stairs and accidentally killed her I was honestly just more shocked and sad for the whole situation as a whole. My reaction wasn't being disgusted at Sunny, it related more to a seriously unfortunate event for basically everyone in the situation. Which in first play through didn't really even make me consider that Sunny was a bad person until i say play throughs with people discussing about the morality of the situation.

One thing i saw often was people getting mad at Sunny for pushing her down the stairs. I can understand feeling upset that the incident occurred, but the actual action of pushing someone isn't bad and it just so happened to lead to her being killed from it. A better argument for why morally Sunny was bad i saw was that he had framed it as a suicide and also never told anyone about it for years. I can understand this argument much more in my opinion. The way that Mari was killed in my opinion was not in any malicious intent, what happened after killing her was the part that really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ me up. One thing people should realize also is that they were about 12 or so years old when this happened. Id like people to understand that when you are that young you are barely capable of making very simple choices, but once you make a mistake it is easy to understand the consequences of it. In this case After sunny has killed Mari they obviously panicked and did what in there mind was the only way they wouldn't be disowned by everyone they loved and cared about. You have to put yourself in there scenario even if it seems ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up. Sunny thought that either they tell the truth right away and everyone they loved and cared about will abandon them or they will frame it as a mistake and hopefully no one finds out and they will still have friends and family that care for them. In this case this didn't work out because no child can realize the guilt and hardships that come with covering up manslaughter obviously.

I would say honestly in my opinion the worst thing Sunny and Basil did in this scenario was keep it hidden for so long. You have to realize that after so many years that they were just finding ways to get over the death of Mari and im sure hearing the truth hurt even more than it would have if they were told the truth when it happened.

I guess my long concussion to this statement is that in my opinion i am very willing to forgive Sunny with time involved obviously. reformation inst some myth, its a real thing that should be considered for everyone single person since everyone makes mistakes. People wishing that Sunny should have died at the end just make me think of people giving death threats to people online because they feel they should be some moral god that decides when someone should die for there actions. Sorry for big rant tell me if you agree or disagree :)


ps: forgot to mention that some people think that he intentionally pushed Mari down the stairs which i think was not what the game was trying to display at all in my opinion, but believe what you want.
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bridgeofblues 2021年3月18日 1時21分 
Wilson の投稿を引用：
I think some of the people here haven't payed much attention to the unused/deleted pieces of text next to the each of the photos from the Black Photo Album that describe the scenes more precisely.

What really!? What does it say?
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Mastema 2021年3月18日 6時43分 
bridgeofblues の投稿を引用：
Wilson の投稿を引用：
I think some of the people here haven't payed much attention to the unused/deleted pieces of text next to the each of the photos from the Black Photo Album that describe the scenes more precisely.

What really!? What does it say?

https://imgur.com/a/YmVaYMq#DXZZgLu
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bridgeofblues 2021年3月18日 7時39分 
Wilson の投稿を引用：
bridgeofblues の投稿を引用：

What really!? What does it say?

https://imgur.com/a/YmVaYMq#DXZZgLu
Question my friend can this be found in other parts of the game or is in the other route in the dark room? Should we take it with grain of salt or they want us to find this?
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Mastema 2021年3月18日 10時20分 
bridgeofblues の投稿を引用：
Wilson の投稿を引用：

https://imgur.com/a/YmVaYMq#DXZZgLu
Question my friend can this be found in other parts of the game or is in the other route in the dark room? Should we take it with grain of salt or they want us to find this?
As far as im concerned this has not been implemented into the game and was found some time ago as a standalone text in the game files. Few people from an omori discord transcribed that text onto that album to make it look more clear.
最近の変更はMastemaが行いました; 2021年3月18日 10時24分
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bridgeofblues 2021年3月18日 11時10分 
Wilson の投稿を引用：
bridgeofblues の投稿を引用：
Question my friend can this be found in other parts of the game or is in the other route in the dark room? Should we take it with grain of salt or they want us to find this?
As far as im concerned this has not been implemented into the game and was found some time ago as a standalone text in the game files. Few people from an omori discord transcribed that text onto that album to make it look more clear.
Roger I wonder if it was ment be found?
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Sans From Teen Titans GO 2021年3月18日 20時03分 
culpinha の投稿を引用：
Did you forgive Sunny?

I'm kinda struggling with since i finished the game and i didn't answer this one yet.

Yo. so can you like delete this thread. I feel like its better that people keep there opinions to them self about the morality of Sunnys actions. I feel like it also would suck if people finished the game and saw this discussion cause honestly almost all of this is compete trash and its a bad representation of the people who enjoy this game and for the characters.

Good question, Terrible discussion.
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Sbeve 2021年3月19日 12時42分 
Sans From Teen Titans GO の投稿を引用：
culpinha の投稿を引用：
Did you forgive Sunny?

I'm kinda struggling with since i finished the game and i didn't answer this one yet.

Yo. so can you like delete this thread. I feel like its better that people keep there opinions to them self about the morality of Sunnys actions. I feel like it also would suck if people finished the game and saw this discussion cause honestly almost all of this is compete trash and its a bad representation of the people who enjoy this game and for the characters.

Good question, Terrible discussion.
honestly i'd have to agree. this discussion reminds me of the time i used to hate monika from DDLC some 3 years ago because of a comment she made on another character in the game and i wouldn't want people to find out what i've written about it. it's nothing too serious but still
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Sailor Paladin 2021年3月20日 8時22分 
Sans From Teen Titans GO の投稿を引用：

Yo. so can you like delete this thread. I feel like its better that people keep there opinions to them self about the morality of Sunnys actions. I feel like it also would suck if people finished the game and saw this discussion cause honestly almost all of this is compete trash and its a bad representation of the people who enjoy this game and for the characters.

Good question, Terrible discussion.

Alright. So.
1) No, OP cannot, in fact, delete this thread. They simply don't have such an option.

2) It wasn't a terrible discussion. A terrible discussion looks like this:
Person A: "I like apples"
Person B: "I like pears"
Person A: "Good for you, bye"
Person B: "Bye".

Nothing was gained. Nothing was discovered.

Meanwhile, we actually have over 80 relatively long messages of people actually arguing with each other. That's good.

EDIT: I suppose the only relatively 'bad' thing that happened to this discussion is that it got off-track really hard. Mostly my bad, to be fair. That's the reason I ended up shutting up at the end there. I ended up talking about me, of all things. That's just uncouth, frankly.

3) This thread has shown that the playerbase of this game is capable of long, intellectual debates. With mostly good grammar and minimal insults thrown at each other.
That's more than I can say about most communities.

Even if you are, for some reason, concerned what some people might think of this particular group you happen to be a part of (I'm kinda trying to spark a 90-messages-long debate on the topic of 'individual vs group' and I'm openly admitting it), do not worry. Having civil, thoughtful discussions is not, in fact, a bad thing.
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Sans From Teen Titans GO 2021年3月21日 11時19分 
Im sorry man, but you are so cringe LOL
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KEEM🍿 2021年3月21日 12時45分 
Sans From Teen Titans GO の投稿を引用：
culpinha の投稿を引用：
Did you forgive Sunny?

I'm kinda struggling with since i finished the game and i didn't answer this one yet.

Yo. so can you like delete this thread. I feel like its better that people keep there opinions to them self about the morality of Sunnys actions. I feel like it also would suck if people finished the game and saw this discussion cause honestly almost all of this is compete trash and its a bad representation of the people who enjoy this game and for the characters.

Good question, Terrible discussion.
IDK bro this discussion was pretty good until u came in and started calling everyone "cringe" and ♥♥♥♥ over a video game character.
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Sailor Paladin 2021年3月22日 9時54分 
Sans From Teen Titans GO の投稿を引用：
Im sorry man, but you are so cringe LOL

Sigh.
It's not an argument. Merely an attempt at insulting me. I cannot engage with that on a meaningful level.
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SpippoloEroinaEroicamenteDal2003 2021年3月23日 4時36分 
After 100+ hours in the game I think that Sunny needs to be forgiven, because it wasn't his fault. It was HIS and ONLY fault pushing Mari down the stairs and killing her, but then he just took her to her bed and CRIED, he wouldn't believe she died. It was BASIL's fault for all the "hiding the body" thing. Basil just wanted to help his friend out but let your own friends believe that Mari committed suicide is unforgivable. What I fear the most after the good ending is that maybe Sunny gets "just" brutally beaten up by Hero, but when it comes to Basil... Psycho isn't enough to describe him. Sunny only followed Basil in the heat of the moment, or that's at least what I think. Let me know what you think about my point of view, correct me if I'm wrong.

Edit: I just saw the desciption of the black photo Album. I kinda think they prove my point.
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The Pure Vessel 2021年3月24日 7時19分 
SpippoloEroinaEroicamenteDal2003 の投稿を引用：
After 100+ hours in the game I think that Sunny needs to be forgiven, because it wasn't his fault. It was HIS and ONLY fault pushing Mari down the stairs and killing her, but then he just took her to her bed and CRIED, he wouldn't believe she died. It was BASIL's fault for all the "hiding the body" thing. Basil just wanted to help his friend out but let your own friends believe that Mari committed suicide is unforgivable. What I fear the most after the good ending is that maybe Sunny gets "just" brutally beaten up by Hero, but when it comes to Basil... Psycho isn't enough to describe him. Sunny only followed Basil in the heat of the moment, or that's at least what I think. Let me know what you think about my point of view, correct me if I'm wrong.

Edit: I just saw the desciption of the black photo Album. I kinda think they prove my point.
I don't exactly understand why people are expecting Basil to act like a very reasonable, rational, and just levelheaded person after witnessing his best friend accidentally shove his sister (who is also Basil's friend) down stairs. Basil was visibly shaken from the albums themselves, he wasn't like "hmm haha yes ♥♥♥♥ Mari".
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SpippoloEroinaEroicamenteDal2003 2021年3月24日 12時26分 
The Pure Vessel の投稿を引用：
SpippoloEroinaEroicamenteDal2003 の投稿を引用：
After 100+ hours in the game I think that Sunny needs to be forgiven, because it wasn't his fault. It was HIS and ONLY fault pushing Mari down the stairs and killing her, but then he just took her to her bed and CRIED, he wouldn't believe she died. It was BASIL's fault for all the "hiding the body" thing. Basil just wanted to help his friend out but let your own friends believe that Mari committed suicide is unforgivable. What I fear the most after the good ending is that maybe Sunny gets "just" brutally beaten up by Hero, but when it comes to Basil... Psycho isn't enough to describe him. Sunny only followed Basil in the heat of the moment, or that's at least what I think. Let me know what you think about my point of view, correct me if I'm wrong.

Edit: I just saw the desciption of the black photo Album. I kinda think they prove my point.
I don't exactly understand why people are expecting Basil to act like a very reasonable, rational, and just levelheaded person after witnessing his best friend accidentally shove his sister (who is also Basil's friend) down stairs. Basil was visibly shaken from the albums themselves, he wasn't like "hmm haha yes ♥♥♥♥ Mari".

I would be shaken too if I had to hang a dead body to a tree. Damn it, even the worst murderer wouldn't do that, at least not to your best friend's sister. And at the end of it for who have you done it? For Sunny? Basil condamned him at staying alone for four long years suffering depression by himself, better four years in prison than that. "It was an accident" maybe sounds more like a plausible excuse but if someone is ever going to say to me:"I hanged her dead body to a tree to protect him" that's no excuse, I'd say "u cRaZy" and yeet him in the asylum. What kind of 12 years old does that??
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Bants 2021年3月31日 23時52分 
Sailor Paladin の投稿を引用：
Alright, using the spoiler thing is pointless at this point, and is... probably just annoying, so I won't bother.

SandwichCat の投稿を引用：
he was scared.
(...)
if you kill your sister, how will things go for you? No body will ever look at you the same way they did before. Your own parents might hate you. Thats what he was scared about.

I understand that. That's not an excuse, however. That's a motive.

However,
SandwichCat の投稿を引用：
you can tell how much he regrets it and hates himself for it.
is a fair point.

Same goes for
karl's beard の投稿を引用：
The fact that Sunny eventually goes through that whole internal struggle, and stops repressing his past so he can own up to it is what tells me he's no doubt redeemable.

But I still believe that he is beyond redemption.

At the end we're witnessing a moment of clarity. He stopped repressing the past, he gathered enough inner strength to confess (to his friends, at the very least). And how long will that last?

I am a firm believer that there are things you can't go back from. This is one of them.

Apparently, he loved Mari. He really, really loved Mari. And yet he was able to hurt her. Physically. Even if he didn't mean to kill her, he still pushed her. Hard. That's one.

And then didn't think twice before destroying her legacy for personal gain. That's two.

That's ALARMING. Most people aren't even capable of doing what he's done.
...at least, I don't think so.

In any case, in the 'True Ending', I think that Sunny himself in that moment believes that he can be a good person.
And I think that he is wrong. I think that if he were to end up in a similar situation in the future, he would still do the exact same thing. Destroy everything in his path for personal gain, no matter how dear and precious (he thinks) it is to him.

... but, again, I am a cynical piece of ♥♥♥♥, who is used to seeing the worst in people.

You can believe in Sunny. That's absolutely fine. That's probably the healthier attitude.

P.S. But, just so we're clear: self-loathing and regret do not automatically mean that you're not going to do the 'bad thing' ever again. You can hate yourself, but still do the thing that you hate yourself for. In fact, that's... pretty common...


this take is steamy hot and i like it, not that i agree but beautifully written. love to see another's opinion on something so subjective yet volatile
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