Sunny's sentence

[RemPhase]

I know is not important for the story, but I had this tough foe a wile: what's the sentence for Sunny when he confess his crime. If someone ever studied law can tell me how this situation as to be treated, since Sunny is a minor and I don't think he can go to jail, it would be great to let me know

[Krimson]

It would be like a roller coaster in some point. The fact that it was an accident could less the sentence, but the fact that it was disguised as a suicide will cause some doubts. There are accidents -like pushing your friend while playing, they fall and cause their death, and """accidents""", like pushin your sister in a rage attack after she pressured you for weeks down the stairs and then hiding it as a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ suicide. This could be seen as voluntary manslaughter -10 years in prison- for an adult. Still, no idea about the exact sentence. At least that´s what will happen if he is judged as an adult. There are details like the mental health of sunny and the fact that he admited the crime that could minimize the sentence. But he surely be passing some years in jail
That´s all the info -if you could say it like that- I can give, product of watching law related series and quick searches in wikipedia, limited by my poorly learned english

[Sbeve]

Originally posted by nxbxdy17:

It would be like a roller coaster in some point. The fact that it was an accident could less the sentence, but the fact that it was disguised as a suicide will cause some doubts. There are accidents -like pushing your friend while playing, they fall and cause their death, and """accidents""", like pushin your sister in a rage attack after she pressured you for weeks down the stairs and then hiding it as a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ suicide. This could be seen as voluntary manslaughter -10 years in prison- for an adult. Still, no idea about the exact sentence. At least that´s what will happen if he is judged as an adult. There are details like the mental health of sunny and the fact that he admited the crime that could minimize the sentence. But he surely be passing some years in jail
That´s all the info -if you could say it like that- I can give, product of watching law related series and quick searches in wikipedia, limited by my poorly learned english

voluntary manslaughter? sunny did not have the intent to kill though.

[Hint]

Sunny is guilty of three things as far as I can tell.
1. Involuntary manslaughter
2. tampering with evidence
3. corpse stuff
This all varies by country/state, but manslaughter is minumum 10 months ranging to 10+ years. But it’s important that Sunny was 12 at the time AND that it was an accident. Makes it much easier to make a case for involuntary manslaughter. This is important because involuntary manslaughter is not a felony. (The volutary vs involuntary breakdown is about what you were doing at the time—voluntary being reserved for when you were already committing a crime when you accidentally killed someone. Eg accidentally killing someone while driving drunk.)
Tw/E is going to depend on the severity of the initial case, but should not be a felony if the initial crime is not a felony.
Corpse stuff is the tricky one as in the US it is often handled by the state and so names and penalties will vary. There’s Corpse Abuse, Desecration of a Corpse, Abandonment of a Corpse, etc and these definition vary making it hard to tell exactly what Sunny/Basil did. These range from being misdemeanor to felony.
To finally answer your question, I don’t think Sunny will receive a sentence for what he did or at the very least won’t go to court. Crimes that AREN’T felonies have statutes of limitations. It’s a time period that legal proceedings can start. After that time, cases can’t start. I don’t know the ins and outs but 4 years may be enough for Sunny to be unpunishable. The circumstances would definitely come up in any preliminary hearings to determine whether any legal stuff can even happen or if it’s been too long. The worst thing Sunny could be tried for would be any of the stuff he did with Mari’s corpse.
There’s also the fact that a prosecutor has to take the case. Sunny’s family (or Mom at least) seems to know the truth already and doesn’t want to lose another child, so they wouldn’t want to pursue the case. Normally a state attorney would take over then to make sure justice is served, but a lot of criminal cases get thrown out before any pleas can even be made because of a weak case (~8%). In comparison, only about 2% of criminal trials make it to court.
If anything I think Sunny’s case would not make it to court just because of his age at the time and the other circumstances. The most I can see happening to him if it isn’t immediately thrown out is some sort of bargain where he has to do X amount of community service and attend counseling or something.
There’s also the fact that the prosecutor typically starts stuff AFTER the police report, which would’ve been 4 years ago. If we want to get real, there’s no way that Sunny/Basil could actually cover up what they did to a full-on police investigation. If Sunny were to face real-world legal consequences for his actions then he would’ve done so when real-world police figured out what really happened, which leads me to believe his case has already been thrown out.

[Krimson]

Originally posted by Sbeve:

Originally posted by nxbxdy17:

It would be like a roller coaster in some point. The fact that it was an accident could less the sentence, but the fact that it was disguised as a suicide will cause some doubts. There are accidents -like pushing your friend while playing, they fall and cause their death, and """accidents""", like pushin your sister in a rage attack after she pressured you for weeks down the stairs and then hiding it as a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ suicide. This could be seen as voluntary manslaughter -10 years in prison- for an adult. Still, no idea about the exact sentence. At least that´s what will happen if he is judged as an adult. There are details like the mental health of sunny and the fact that he admited the crime that could minimize the sentence. But he surely be passing some years in jail
That´s all the info -if you could say it like that- I can give, product of watching law related series and quick searches in wikipedia, limited by my poorly learned english

voluntary manslaughter? sunny did not have the intent to kill though.

he may had the intention, since it was at the heat of the moment. If it was involuntary it should´ve been for self-defense. If Mari intended to attack him and when pushing her, she falls down the stairs and dies, it would have been involuntary. But they were arguing -since mari isn´t usually like that, sunny could have been "emotionally disturbed" and could not control his emotions-, and he literally GRABBED HER BY HER SHOULDERS and threw her down the stairs, which makes me think that at the moment, he really had the intention to kill her.

[Sbeve]

Originally posted by nxbxdy17:

Originally posted by Sbeve:

voluntary manslaughter? sunny did not have the intent to kill though.

he may had the intention, since it was at the heat of the moment. If it was involuntary it should´ve been for self-defense. If Mari intended to attack him and when pushing her, she falls down the stairs and dies, it would have been involuntary. But they were arguing -since mari isn´t usually like that, sunny could have been "emotionally disturbed" and could not control his emotions-, and he literally GRABBED HER BY HER SHOULDERS and threw her down the stairs, which makes me think that at the moment, he really had the intention to kill her.

if sunny was emotionally disturbed, how could he rationally act with intention to kill?

[Serathis]

He is a minor.

[Purrz]

Assuming the story takes place in America (hence "All american guy" living in suburbs, etc) he was 12 at the time this happened so if they found it to be an accident, I'm almost sure he wouldnt serve any real jailtime. He would most likely get sent to a juvenile detention center for like a year and get counseling for anger management or something. because theres people that do way more severe times and get less punishment than you'd think. and yea he is a kid.

[Krimson]

Originally posted by Sbeve:

Originally posted by nxbxdy17:

he may had the intention, since it was at the heat of the moment. If it was involuntary it should´ve been for self-defense. If Mari intended to attack him and when pushing her, she falls down the stairs and dies, it would have been involuntary. But they were arguing -since mari isn´t usually like that, sunny could have been "emotionally disturbed" and could not control his emotions-, and he literally GRABBED HER BY HER SHOULDERS and threw her down the stairs, which makes me think that at the moment, he really had the intention to kill her.

if sunny was emotionally disturbed, how could he rationally act with intention to kill?

that´s the point. he didn´t actually think "ok i might kill her now", he pushed her in a rage attack, which is seen as voluntary since it was somehow cause by Mari. Let me put an example. Imagine that you were minding your own bussines and then out of nowhere someone hits you in the face. Since you weren´t doing anything and you didn´t do anything to make they hit you, you might think it was an accident, right? That it was involuntary. Now, if you are arguing with someone and they get angry at you and hit you, anyone would think it was because you were arguing with them. Maybe it wasn´t planned, maybe they didn´t actually thought about it, but they had a reason to did it, and they DID. That is voluntary.

[Sbeve]

Originally posted by nxbxdy17:

Originally posted by Sbeve:

if sunny was emotionally disturbed, how could he rationally act with intention to kill?

that´s the point. he didn´t actually think "ok i might kill her now", he pushed her in a rage attack, which is seen as voluntary since it was somehow cause by Mari. Let me put an example. Imagine that you were minding your own bussines and then out of nowhere someone hits you in the face. Since you weren´t doing anything and you didn´t do anything to make they hit you, you might think it was an accident, right? That it was involuntary. Now, if you are arguing with someone and they get angry at you and hit you, anyone would think it was because you were arguing with them. Maybe it wasn´t planned, maybe they didn´t actually thought about it, but they had a reason to did it, and they DID. That is voluntary.

alright fine, i concede that if sunny were an adult, he would be charged with voluntary manslaughter. however i disagree that, as a 16 year old, he would be charged and sent to jail for the crimes.

[Yoshie.]

Originally posted by nxbxdy17:

Originally posted by Sbeve:

if sunny was emotionally disturbed, how could he rationally act with intention to kill?

that´s the point. he didn´t actually think "ok i might kill her now", he pushed her in a rage attack, which is seen as voluntary since it was somehow cause by Mari. Let me put an example. Imagine that you were minding your own bussines and then out of nowhere someone hits you in the face. Since you weren´t doing anything and you didn´t do anything to make they hit you, you might think it was an accident, right? That it was involuntary. Now, if you are arguing with someone and they get angry at you and hit you, anyone would think it was because you were arguing with them. Maybe it wasn´t planned, maybe they didn´t actually thought about it, but they had a reason to did it, and they DID. That is voluntary.

I think he mean't to push her, but not off the stairs

[Krimson]

Originally posted by Yoshie.:

Originally posted by nxbxdy17:

that´s the point. he didn´t actually think "ok i might kill her now", he pushed her in a rage attack, which is seen as voluntary since it was somehow cause by Mari. Let me put an example. Imagine that you were minding your own bussines and then out of nowhere someone hits you in the face. Since you weren´t doing anything and you didn´t do anything to make they hit you, you might think it was an accident, right? That it was involuntary. Now, if you are arguing with someone and they get angry at you and hit you, anyone would think it was because you were arguing with them. Maybe it wasn´t planned, maybe they didn´t actually thought about it, but they had a reason to did it, and they DID. That is voluntary.

I think he mean't to push her, but not off the stairs

dude took her by her shoulders and did a 90° spin to throw her off the stairs Kids are stupid, probably thought she would have been fine or didn´t think it was mortal

[Krimson]

Originally posted by Sbeve:

Originally posted by nxbxdy17:

that´s the point. he didn´t actually think "ok i might kill her now", he pushed her in a rage attack, which is seen as voluntary since it was somehow cause by Mari. Let me put an example. Imagine that you were minding your own bussines and then out of nowhere someone hits you in the face. Since you weren´t doing anything and you didn´t do anything to make they hit you, you might think it was an accident, right? That it was involuntary. Now, if you are arguing with someone and they get angry at you and hit you, anyone would think it was because you were arguing with them. Maybe it wasn´t planned, maybe they didn´t actually thought about it, but they had a reason to did it, and they DID. That is voluntary.

alright fine, i concede that if sunny were an adult, he would be charged with voluntary manslaughter. however i disagree that, as a 16 year old, he would be charged and sent to jail for the crimes.

Well it really depends in which state/country happened, since laws are different and ♥♥♥♥. Like I said, that is what it would happen if he is seen as an adult. At least that´s how it´ll happen in my coutry: he either would go to jail cause people thought "he though what he was doing" -because of how he disguised it as a suicide-, or he would go free because "it is unethical to sentence a teen for what he did as a child". Or maybe sent to reformatory instead of jail, yes.
Things like this are very difficult to know if our only source of information are some searches in google, since cases like this are very specific, same as the laws. If someone is willing to research for hours in the deepths of law pdfs in the internet we would have more information to work on. But I´ll pass for now lol

[Purrz]

Originally posted by nxbxdy17:

Originally posted by Sbeve:

alright fine, i concede that if sunny were an adult, he would be charged with voluntary manslaughter. however i disagree that, as a 16 year old, he would be charged and sent to jail for the crimes.

Well it really depends in which state/country happened, since laws are different and ♥♥♥♥. Like I said, that is what it would happen if he is seen as an adult. At least that´s how it´ll happen in my coutry: he either would go to jail cause people thought "he though what he was doing" -because of how he disguised it as a suicide-, or he would go free because "it is unethical to sentence a teen for what he did as a child". Or maybe sent to reformatory instead of jail, yes.
Things like this are very difficult to know if our only source of information are some searches in google, since cases like this are very specific, same as the laws. If someone is willing to research for hours in the deepths of law pdfs in the internet we would have more information to work on. But I´ll pass for now lol

The story takes place in a suburb of America. Hence there being an NPC called "All American Guy"

[Mig the Frog]

Originally posted by nxbxdy17:

Originally posted by Sbeve:

voluntary manslaughter? sunny did not have the intent to kill though.

he may had the intention, since it was at the heat of the moment. If it was involuntary it should´ve been for self-defense. If Mari intended to attack him and when pushing her, she falls down the stairs and dies, it would have been involuntary. But they were arguing -since mari isn´t usually like that, sunny could have been "emotionally disturbed" and could not control his emotions-, and he literally GRABBED HER BY HER SHOULDERS and threw her down the stairs, which makes me think that at the moment, he really had the intention to kill her.

In the Book of Truth it may seem He grabbed her, but according the text retained in the game code what actually happened is that Mari put herself in the middle because Sunny was quitting the argument and she wasn't finished yet

[Pershongo]

ayo the pi... No. Not funny.